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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 882
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Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Tá duine m'aitheantais ag iarraidh aistriúchán den abairt "It gets better". Sin é mana The Trevor Project, tionscnamh chun féinmharú a chosc i measc aosa óga. An cuma mhaith ar "Rachaidh sé i bhfeabhas" nó an gá a bheith níos follasaí?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10499
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Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 11:56 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Sin nó

Tiocfaidh feabhas air

Ní ritheann aon leagan ar leith liom a bheadh níos dúchasaí

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10504
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 04:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

An rud is doiléire ná cén "it" a bhfuil feabhas le teacht air.

B'fhéidir go mbeadh

Tiocfaidh feabhas ar chúrsaí

níos fearr

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 533
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 08:56 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Is maith liom 'Casfaidh/tiontóidh an roth thart arís'.

Chonaic mé sin in áit eicínt eile le deireannas. B'fhéidir go mbeadh sé roinnt deacair le tiscint ach ní dóigh liom é.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10505
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ceann cosúil leis:

Níl is uasal is íseal
ach thuas seal is thíos seal.

Ach ní dóigh liom go bhfeileann ceachtar: casann an roth síos arís in ndiaidh dó dul suas.

Táthar áfach ag cuir in iúl d'ógánaigh a bhraitheann mí shocair agus éadóchasach - go dtí an pointe go bhfuil siad chun lámh a chuir ina mbás féin - go bhfuil dóchas ann.

Seo ceann deas a d'aimsigh Google

Dóchas lia gach anró

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 427
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:17 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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An rud is doiléire ná cén "it" a bhfuil feabhas le teacht air.



it = your problems, your life, your difficulties, your situation

Déarfainnse go mb'fhearr "Tiocfaidh feabhas ar do chás/scéal" ná "Tiocfaidh feabhas air". Nó rud éintig eile dona shaghas so a leanas: "Dá olcas a dhála, níl éinne againn ó fhóirithint" nó "Níl tú ó fhóirithint".

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Is maith liom 'Casfaidh/tiontóidh an roth thart arís'.



Casfaidh an roth ach cá bhfios nach chuin oilcis don nduine a raghaidh sé! Roth na cinniúna atáthars a rá agus ní gá gur chun a leasa don nduine a thiontóidh sé.

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Dóchas lia gach anró



Rud eile ar fad is ea é sin, a Aonghuis. Nó sin an dealramh athá air pé scéal é. Lia = dochtúir leighis. Bíonn an lia ag tnúth leis gach aon anró chuin go ngnóthóidh sé cúpla pingin do féin as!

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10506
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:26 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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Bíonn an lia ag tnúth leis gach aon anró chuin go ngnóthóidh sé cúpla pingin do féin as!



Bíonn.

Ach tá leigheas sa dóchas. Ní fheileann sé don gcás seo - táthar ag iarraidh dóchas a spreagadh san té a bhfuil sé in easnamh air.

Is maith liom

"Níl tú ó fhóirithint"

Seachas gurbh ó lasmuigh a thiocfaidh an fóirithint sin.

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Déarfainnse go mb'fhearr "Tiocfaidh feabhas ar do chás/scéal" ná "Tiocfaidh feabhas air".



Aontaím leat.

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 534
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:26 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Yep the purpose is to give hope to someone contemplating suicide and the line is targeted at them so given that and given they are already feeling as low as possible, then the meaning of tiontóidh an roth thart arís actually can't mean it gets worse but that your luck will turn for the good agus cuirfidh chun bóthar do leasa thú.

Any more suggestions?

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 428
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:44 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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the meaning of tiontóidh an roth thart arís actually can't mean it gets worse



Er, yes it can! See "d'iompaigh an roth air: luck turned against him" in Ó Dónaill.

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Ach tá leigheas sa dóchas. Ní fheileann sé don gcás seo - táthar ag iarraidh dóchas a spreagadh san té a bhfuil sé in easnamh air.



I gcead duit, ach ní dóigh liom gurb é is brí do "Dóchas lia gach anró". "Lia dóchas gach anró" - sin scéal eile ar fad.

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Seachas gurbh ó lasmuigh a thiocfaidh an fóirithint sin.



????

Recte: an fhóirithint

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 535
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 09:55 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

EH!!! The wheel has already turned the way of bad luck if you are contemplating suicide.
So when it turns again it's for the better.

As in- It gets better.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10507
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:08 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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I gcead duit, ach ní dóigh liom gurb é is brí do "Dóchas lia gach anró". "Lia dóchas gach anró" - sin scéal eile ar fad.



I gcead duitse, is é sin an chiall a bhaintear as i gcoitinne. Tá gramadach dá gcuid féin ag seanfhocail!

Anró dóchas gach lia.

ach

(is é an) Dóchas lia gach anró

Is leor nod don óltach!



When a wheel starts to turn, there is no knowing how many revolutions there will be.



D'fhaide an snáth 'sé dán na h-argóinte teacht....

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 536
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:11 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

This is more direct.

'Ní bheidh sé chomh deacair seo i gcónaí'

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 431
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:26 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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EH!!! The wheel has already turned the way of bad luck if you are contemplating suicide.
So when it turns again it's for the better.



With respect, you are applying your own subjective interpretation to the Irish expression. As Dineen points out the wheel can move both ways deiseal, the right way or tuathal, the wrong way.

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I gcead duitse, is é sin an chiall a bhaintear as i gcoitinne.



Tuigim. Is fíor dhuit.

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Ní bheidh sé chomh deacair seo i gcónaí



N'fheadar an ndéarfadh aon chainteoir dúchais Gaeltachta "sé" i gcás dona leithéid gan é a cháiliú ar chuma éintig.

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 432
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:33 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Dóchas lia gach anró

Cítear dhomsa go bhféadfaí dhá bhrí éagsúla a bhaint as an abairt seo:

Dóchas = lia gach anró

Dóchas lia = gach anró.

Ach géillim d'Aonghus gurb é an chéad cheann atáthars a rá.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10508
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:41 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

D'fhéadfaí, cinnte.

Ach sílim go bhfuil sé níos coitianta in abairt mar é an "is é" a bheith intuigthe ag an tús seachas i láir báire.

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 537
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:43 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Well substitute the sé with rudaí/an saol/cúrsaí etc. etc.

At any rate neither of us are native speakers and can say if a native speaker would say sé here. I believe that some just might though! Hence why I wrote it in in the first place.

And No, it's not a subjective interpretation.

Why must everything be taken on so hotly?

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 433
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:02 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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Why must everything be taken on so hotly?



Sorry, who's taking everything "hotly" here? You seem to be the only one doing so here. I stand by what I said before that you are reading too much into the expression.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10510
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:06 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ní ionann díograis agus teasaíocht, a Shinéad.

Is mian linn a ceart a thabhairt don Ghaeilge, sin uile. Níl sé cuí nathanna seanchaite teanga eile a bhrú siar uirthi.

Tá saibhreas iontach sna choincheapa "tuathal" agus "deiseal" a bhaineann le casadh.

Is mó casadh eile a bhéas san scéal seo, gan amhras.

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Sineadw
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:42 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ah I was just having the craic Carmanach, you're easy to rise. Thanks to you both for sharing your thoughts anyway, must look up tuathal and deiseal later on.

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Seánw
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Post Number: 815
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 02:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Is fearr liomsa Tiocfaidh biseach airTiocfaidh feabhas air. Tá sé simplí, cosúil leis an ceann bunaidh.
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With respect, you are applying your own subjective interpretation to the Irish expression. As Dineen points out the wheel can move both ways deiseal, the right way or tuathal, the wrong way.


Hey, the wheel of life. You can born as a gnat, or as a god. I think the wheel in practically every culture represents change in a positive or negative way, often in an unpredictable way, not improvement. I read it as saying, we're not sure if this is going to work out.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 03:29 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Tá sé simplí, cinnte. Ach tá sé níos doiléire sa Ghaeilge cad dó a thagraíonn "air" ná sa Bhéarla.

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Seánw
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 03:39 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Is dócha. Léim Tiocfaidh biseach ar do shaol.

(Message edited by seánw on October 21, 2010)

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 03:42 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

D'fhéadfá

"Tá feabhas saoil i ndán duit"

a rá.

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Taidhgín
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Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 10:59 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Chuala mé an nath seo: An rud ba mheasa leat ar domhan ní fheadairís ná gurb é lár do leasa é .i. an rud (cáineadh / cor sa saol / caillteanas ) a mheasann tú a bheith uafásach agus do-sháraithe do-fhulaingthe tharlódh gurb é tús ré nua i do shaol é. Cá bhfios duit. Fágfaidh tú tréimhse amháin i do dhiaidh go deo agus osclóidh saol nua aoibhinn romhat, saol nárbh eol duit a bheith i ndán duit. Tabhair seans do do chairde is do ghaolta a ngean ort a léiriú sula gcuireann tú píonós gránna orthu gan chúis trí lámh a chur i do bhás féin. [What you think worst may turn out to be best.]

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 03:52 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ana dheas, agus fírinne ann, ach níl sé ró-oiriúnach mar shluaghairm!

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Carmanach
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 05:12 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Tiocfaidh feabhas ar do chás

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 05:13 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Sin é! Sin ceann ana oiriúnach.

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Ormondo
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 06:38 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Dá fhad oíche, tagann lá.

Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 06:49 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Bhuel, fearacht an rotha, leanann oíche lá, agus lá oíche....

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Ormondo
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 07:02 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ach tagann an lá i ndiaidh na hoíche (de ghnáth)... sin margadh an tsaoil, agus níl margadh níos fearr ar fáil.

(Message edited by ormondo on October 22, 2010)

Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.

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Seánw
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:09 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

The sun will come out tomorrow ... atá i gceist leat, sílim.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:13 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

In Éirinn? Ní fheiceann muid an ghrian ó cheann ceann na bliana de bharr na clabhtaí! Nach bhfuil na dea-leabhair léite agat?

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Seánw
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ón tsuíomh: "... to tell kids that life gets better."

http://www.itgetsbetterproject.com/pages/about-it-gets-better-project/

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Seánw
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Posted on Friday, October 22, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Agus páipéar balla deas.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.



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