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Darran
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Registered: 07-2010
Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 11:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hello all,

I've been learning Irish for a little while now and I'm growing interested in Ulster Irish in particular. However I'm just curious about getting a general picture of the dialects.

For example I have read that Connemara Irish was actually a good bit different from general Connacht Irish. There is apparently a more typical Connacht dialect which still survives on the Galway/Mayo border.

I was wondering if this is perhaps the same of Ulster Irish.

Are the dialects still extant in County Donegal typical of Ulster Irish as it used to be?

Also, do we know much of the dialects of County Cavan and County Fermanagh?

Thanks in advance for any information.

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Seánw
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Post Number: 659
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 03:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

From Wikipedia:
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The strongest dialect of Connacht Irish is to be found in Connemara and the Aran Islands. Much closer to the larger Connacht Gaeltacht is the dialect spoken in the smaller region on the border between Galway (Gaillimh) and Mayo (Maigh Eo). The northern Mayo dialect of Erris (Iorras) and Achill (Acaill) is in grammar and morphology essentially a Connacht dialect, but shows some similarities to Ulster Irish due to large-scale immigration of dispossessed people following the Plantation of Ulster.



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Are the dialects still extant in County Donegal typical of Ulster Irish as it used to be?



Yes, for the area they survive in, which is Donegal. That dialect, of course, would not have all the same features as the other extinct Ulster dialects, because the language spectrum was a continuum in the past. Now the Donegal features are spreading into the previous Irish speaking area of Ulster, including the features from the Standard, and other dialects through mass communication. I think there is some leveling of some regionalities, though, due to the outside influence.

Addition: If your interested in learning modern Ulster Irish, you want to learn one of the Donegal dialects, since this is the only dialect which survived to today in Ulster.

(Message edited by seánw on July 19, 2010)

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Obuadhaigh
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 06-2009


Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 04:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

If you haven't seen it already, this website might answer some of your questions - and provoke a few others :-)

Sean

- living with the shame of being the first non-native speaker in his family...

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Obuadhaigh
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Post Number: 25
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Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 04:24 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Rinne mé dearmad é! Seo an suí anois:

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~oduibhin/index.htm

Sean

- living with the shame of being the first non-native speaker in his family...

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Seánw
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Post Number: 660
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Monday, July 19, 2010 - 05:52 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post


I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.



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