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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2010 (May-June) » Archive through June 19, 2010 » Nominative/Genitive « Previous Next »

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Sineadw
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Username: Sineadw

Post Number: 384
Registered: 06-2009
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 01:34 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The Christian Brothers say that when an indefinite noun that is qualified in some way follows on a verbal noun, the indefinite noun (obair)actually stays in the nominative
= ag déanamh obair mhaith.

whereas if the indefinite noun was not qualified, it would stay in genitive as is the rule following verbal nouns
= ag déanamh oibre.

I'm okay with those rules re. verbal nouns, but then I assumed this same rule would apply to the compound prepositions also. But instead I am seeing the genitive used even when the indefinite noun is qualified. Here are two examples I came across lately
= in araíocht ruda eile
= go ceann scaithimh fhada

Is this the case? I really expected to see 'ruda' and 'scaithimh' in their nominative forms 'rud' and 'scaitheamh'

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Seánw
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Post Number: 610
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 06:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yes it is, barring any action in the multiple genitives rule. To tell you the truth, I have no idea historically why the nominative form comes into play when there is a indefinite noun with an attributive adjective. Maybe it was a separate form which melded with the nominative over time, and everyone forgot the roots. But the two processes are separate.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 385
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Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 06:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Thanks Sean, glad to know this for sure as it comes up a good bit.



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