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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2010 (May-June) » Archive through May 18, 2010 » 'An é nach raibh xxx' « Previous Next »

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 332
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Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 10:05 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Learned something really interesting. When you ask a question that starts with 'An é nach raibh.. ' You answer with 'Is ea nach raibh...'

I automatically expected 'Is é nach raibh...' to be the response.

So can I ask if it is always 'is ea' in response to 'an é' or is this a dialect thing at all? Or would 'is é' be acceptable too, but 'is ea' more often used?

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Aonghus
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Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 03:56 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá mearbhall orm faoin gceann seo.

Le ceist mar sin, bheadh mise ag súil leis an freagra a bheith diúltach.

"An é nach raibh"

"Bhí, ach"

Mar sin, nílim cinnte faoi do cheist. An bhfuil foinse iontaofa agat leis?

Tá an sampla seo ag na Bráithre:

Peadar: An é féin a rinne iad? Pól: Is é.

Fuair mé é seo freisin:

15.56 Cuirtear féidearthacht imthoisceach (is é sin gan ábaltacht gníomhaí a bheith i gceist) in iúl le leaganacha mar iad seo: an amhlaidh (an é, an ea) nach gcreideann tú mé? ní fios (níl a fhios, cá bhfios) cén uair a fhillfear; thiocfadh [dó] go bhfuil (raibh, etc.) siad ann; d'fhéadfadh [sé] go raibh siad ann; go bhféadfadh! an féidir go bhfuil tart ort? ní féidir go
dtiocfaidh (gur tháinig) sé; chomh luath agus is féidir; dá mb'fhéidir é.

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 339
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Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 10:29 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I just came across this in Ciaran Mac Murchaidh's Cruinnscríobh:

Nuair a leanann forainm pearsanta (é, í, iad, mé/mise, srl.) an fhoirm cheisteach den Chopail (an/nach), bíonn an forainm sin sa fhreagra chomh maith.

Ceist: An í Bríd an múinteoir bunscoile s'againne?
Freagra: Is í

Má tá ainmfhocal éigin idir an fhoirm cheisteach den Chopail (an/nach) agus an forainm (é, í, iad, mé/mise, srl.)úsáidtear Is ea/Ní hea sa fhreagra:

C: An státseirbhíseach é d'athair
F: Is ea/Ní hea


But I think when it comes to a sentence like 'An é nach raibh a fhios agat?' the second 'is ea/ní hea' would apply, as there is an indefinite noun involved, rather than a sentence of identity

Does that sound right?

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 03:22 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I don't know. I've never come across "an é nach x" except as a rhetorical device, which doesn't really expect an answer.

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David_w
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Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 06:35 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Aonghus and Sineadw, is "an é nach x" a colloquialism? I am wondering if it is really an abbreviated form of "an rud é nach x", thus naturally attracting the answer "is ea"?

Luasgann an tAṫair Peadar mo ṡaoġal!.

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Sineadw
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Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 08:20 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yeah I think there is an indefinite thing implied: 'an rud'. And yep, Aonghus, you dead right, it was a rhetorical question, but if you were to answer, I had been thinking that it had to be 'is é'.



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