Just another thing I'm wondering about arising from Ó'Siadhail study:

'ag íoc cíos' and 'ag cuartú teach' were both written in some of the texts that I was reading through last night but I can't work out why the noun going after the verbal noun isn't in the genitive? Is this usual in Conamara or are these exceptions perhaps?

Probably the norm in Conamara I'm now thinking?

Are the other dialects like this?

Tá mé ag cur an cheist seo le teann fiosrachta.

Hi, the answer is that there aren't many genitives in use in Cois Fhairrge according to that book. I think it says only the ones that slenderize the ending are viable. You can find it easily in the index by looking for "genitive". The book says that "Gaeltachta" is used in "Raidió na Gaeltachta" because it is a proper noun and so the official title is used, but the genitive singular of Gaeltacht is Gaeltacht in the Irish presented in the book.

but doesn't teach slenderize when it goes into genitive?



(Message edited by sineadw on October 29, 2009)

It slenderises and add an -e :
teach > tighe (written "tí" since 1950).

Must be selective use of genitive in Conamara then if they stuck with the nominative of teach.

Would this be unusual.. how Conamara treats the genitive by any chance?

p145 of Mícheál Ó Siadhail's book says that in Cois Fhairrge the nominative is used after the verbal noun if the noun is indefinite. So it would be:

ag íoc cíos
ag íoc na cíosa

thank you so much! I couldn't find that last night but I was racing through it- doing my irish in work these days and my travelling library won't get in the door!

That should have been ag íoc an cíosa in the "definite" example. Na cíosa is just wrong, but there you go!

Or 'íoc an chíosa' I think..