I was writing 'i chuile amhrán' there and I thought that going by the canúint in Conamara that 'i gchuile' would be more correct? What do yiz tink :)

Technically ''chuile'' is already lenited so you can't lenite and eclipse a word. It would be impossible to prononce ''gch'' since that word combination don't work in Irish. It would be ''i chuile amhrán''.

Seconded. (gach uile -> chuile)
It would be "i ngach uile" but, ...

Yeah that makes sense Trigger. I googled it and 'i gchuile' had thrown up two results so it made me second guess it- along with chuile coming from gach uile, I thought there might be a bizarro reason out there that it might be possible to eclipse it :)

Is iad "(in)s achuile ..." agus "(in)s achaon ..." na leaganacha canúnacha atá tú a thoraíocht. Is minic a chloisfeá "sa chuile ..." / "sa chaon", agus mar sin, is é an dóigh a scríobhaim féin iad.

Chuile is a shortened form of "gach uile", so either you don't shorten it and then you say "i ngach uile", or you shorten it an then you don't change anything : "i chuile", because the "ga" part is still there, grammatically.

You can't eclipse "ch" anyway.

Cool, that's a great help.. míle buíochas do chuile dhuine agaibh.

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or you shorten it an then you don't change anything : "i chuile"

Cén áit ar aimsigh tú é? Ab í Gaeilge Chonamara atá i gceist a'd?

Má tá spéis agaibh, tugaigí súil ar mhír 7.52 "Conjunctive and special forms" den leabhar The Irish of Iorras Aithneach Co.Galway, imleabhar a trí. Is féidir í a íoslódáil anseo: http://www.celt.dias.ie/publications/cat/e/e2-13.html.

Rud eile, tá claonadh ag cainteoirí dúchais gan séimhiú ná urú a chur ar "fhocla feidhmiúla" (fuctors). Is duine den deam seo é an focal "gach". Mar sin, "ins gach ..." (agus leaganacha dhe, is, in agus mar sin de) is mó a úsáidtear, ní "i ngach".

I suspect that a good speaker would avoid the construction "i chuile amhrán". It sounds a little awkward to my ear. Would he or she not plump for "i ngach amhrán" or "i ngach uile amhrán"?

Cool, so Peter re. Conamara Irish would it be right then in saying that 'sa chuile' is what is spoken more so than 'ins a chuile'? Or would you still hear both of them?

And would 'ins gach' be in Conamara dialect too?

Díreach é, tá "sa chuile ..." go mór níos coitianta i gcanúint Chonamara.

Agus is leagan traidisiúnta Chonamara é "ins gach..." chomh maith. Go mbaine tú sult as iad a úsáid le lucht na Gaeltachta!

Is dócha go mb'fhearr "ins 'ach chuile..." mar sin, má scríobhann tú "sa chuile", thuigfí gur "ins an gach uile" atá i gceist agus níl ciall leis (bhail, tá ach tá sé mícheart).

De réir de Bhaldraithe in 'Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge', deirtear:
in chuile áit
is chuile bheairic
agus úsáidtear "i" roimh chonsan (ach ní thabhrann sé sompa le "chuile" ansin)

In Ultaibh, déarfaí "in achan...".

Agus 'i ngach uile' sa gcaighdeán ab ea?

Ní raibh mé ag súil leis an méid sin roghanna a bheith ann!

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Is dócha go mb'fhearr "ins 'ach chuile..." mar sin

B'fhéidir é, dá mbeadh /n/ le brath air sa gcaint, rud nach mbíonn go minic. Sa chuile an leagan is mó a chuala mé féin. D'fhéadfaí é sin a scríobh ar nós 's 'ach chuile, ar ndóigh, dá mbeadh an fonn sin ar dhuine - ach níl sé feicthe agam riamh agus dar liom féin gur beathú mearbhaill a bheadh ann.

Tá "sa chuile" ag Brian Ó Curnáin, ní mise a chum é. Tá cuma shlachtmhar air agus tá mé sách sásta leis mar leagan scríofa. Ina cheann sin, tá an chosúlacht ann go ndearnadh reanalysis dhó agus go n-airítear an leagan cainte seo díreach mar "sa" agus "chuile" ina dhiaidh. Tá sé pléite ag an gCurnánach sa mír chéanna.

Cá as a dtagann an 'a' atá roimh 'chuile' in 'ins achuile'.

Is maith liom féin ins achuile agus sa chuile, agus tá sé luaite sa nasc a chuir Peter thuas ansin. Tá 'ins chuile' á úsáid freisin, gan 'a'--

(And thanks a mil for that link! It is very detailed but a huge reference point for Conamara Irish and a great help).

(Message edited by sineadw on October 08, 2009)

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Cá as a dtagann an 'a' atá roimh 'chuile' in 'ins achuile'.

As "gach uile", is dócha.
Is féidir "chuile" nó "achuile" a rá.

Lars

(Message edited by Lars on October 08, 2009)

Sin é, lagú na bhfuaimeanna is príomhchúis leis. Is é "gach uile" dúshraith an leagain seo. Ós rud é gur leagan cainte an-choitianta é, thosaigh na fuaimeanna ag meathlú de réir a chéile - go mórmhór, sa gcuid den leagan nach bhfuil béim ghutha uirthi, is é sin "gach" (deirtear "gaCHUILe"). Ba é "g" an chéad fhuiam a cailleadh, agus mar sin tá "achuile" againn chomh maith. Ansin, chuaigh an chéad "a" (is é sin, an ceann gan bhéim) i laige, agus seo é anois, "chuile", an leagan is girre agus is coitianta ar fad :)

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(And thanks a mil for that link! It is very detailed but a huge reference point for Conamara Irish and a great help).

Ba cheart dhúinn buíochas a ghabháil leis an údar, chaith sé fiche bliain nó mar sin ag obair air agus ag cruinniú chuile fhocailín agus gach rud agus iad uilig a chur ar phár go dil dúthrachtach. Agus is fear lách é chomh maith, chuir mé cupla ceist air agus fuair mé freagra gan mórán achair.

" 's 'ach uile" atá i gceist agad, tá mé 'meas.