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Ingeborg
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 03-2008


Posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 08:54 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ó Siaḋail explains the possessive in lesson 10. I am not sure, if some things are mere dialectal features.

He writes:
Tá do ċuıd Gaeılgesa go maıṫ.
Tá mo ċuıd leaḃarṫasa anseo níl do ċuıdsa anseo ar ċor ar bıṫ.
Have you not to use “Gaeılgese” and “ċuıdse”, at least in the standard?

He writes:
‘ur gcóta sıḃse; a cóta sıse
Can’t I say “ḃur gcótasa” and “a cótasa” also, according to Ó Dónaill, lemma –sa?

And last, but not least, is instead of “do ċuıd leaḃarsa” also “do leaḃaırse” for “your books” in the CO possible, i.d. can I use the plural directly after possessives?

Thanks for help.

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Mbm
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Post Number: 239
Registered: 01-2006


Posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'm pretty sure "Gaeilgese" and "cuidse" are the standard forms.

As for the the likes of "bhur gcótasa" and "bhur gcóta sibhse", in my opinion, they're both possible (and correct) and they mean the same thing.

And yes, you certainly can use the plural after a possessive pronoun: "do leabhair", hence also "do leabhairse". So once again, you have more than one way to say the same thing: possessive + plural, or possessive + 'cuid' + genitive plural.

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Lars
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Post Number: 401
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 03:59 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

He writes:
‘ur gcóta sıḃse; a cóta sıse
Can’t I say “ḃur gcótasa” and “a cótasa” also, according to Ó Dónaill, lemma –sa?


Yes, but "bhur" (as well as "ár") is pronounced like "a" in Cois Fharraige and Conamara (hence Ó Siadhail's spelling "'ur" and "ar".)
So what you would here there is "a gcótasa"
"a gcóta sibhse" is perhaps less ambiguous.

Lars

(Message edited by Lars on August 04, 2009)



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