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Tadhganseo
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Monday, June 29, 2009 - 08:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Am I right in saying that due to the slender consonant "cláir theilifíse" and "scannáin theilifíse" would be correct and teilifíse without a h would be ungrammatical?

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 07:38 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think you'd remove the h in the second phrase because scannáin ends with n, you don't lenite because of the dentals' rule.

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Tadhganseo
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Post Number: 13
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Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 08:03 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me of that, as with "Eibhlín Dubh" or "Róisín Dubh". So would the following be right using the "teilifís" example?
Stáisiúin teilifíse
Cláír theilifíse
Clár teilifíse
Sraith theilifíse
Sraitheanna teilifíse

Also, looking up "teilifís" on focal.ie, one of the phrases is "mobile tv" which is translated as "teilifís fón póca" Why is "fón póca" unaltered here? And is it the case that in "teilifís teagaisc" the lack of a séimhiú in "teagaisc" despite the feminine gender of teilifís would be due to the t at the start of teagaisc? GRMA!

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 11:08 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In the CO, you'd have Eibhlín Dhubh and Róisín Dhubh : the dentals' rule applies with nouns, not with adjectives (in the CO). Looks like the dentals' rule applies very often to adjectives too in Gaeltacht speech.

About "teilifís fón póca", I don't even know if you should lenite póca or not ; normally "fón" should be lenited but I guess it isn't because it's a loanword (you don't easily lenite loanwords that begin with f, for example I called = fónáil mé, not d'fhónáil mé).
My grammars don't say if the third noun of such a phrase would be lenited or not...

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Stáisiúin teilifíse
Cláir theilifíse
Clár teilifíse
Sraith theilifíse
Sraitheanna teilifíse



These are right.


About teilifís teagaisc, you don't lenite the t because it is a dental consonant (and teilifís ends with an s).
What is teilifís teagaisc by the way? A teaching television?

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Tadhganseo
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 07:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

GRMA! Teilifís teagaisc = "instructional television" de réir www.focal.ie :)



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