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Tadhganseo
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Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In the sentence "Rugadh sa bhliain 1960 i gContae Chill Mhantáin é", is it possible to write "Rugadh é sa bhliain 1960 i gContae Chill Mhantáin" or is that ungrammatical?

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 05:02 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It's not ungrammatical. The default rule is that pronominal objects like é and liom come at the end of a clause rather than immediately after a verb, but there's a countervailing tendency to avoid too great a separation. I imagine individual speakers will differ on whether or not they would personally allow "sa bhliain 1960 i gContae Chill Mhantáin" to intervene between the verb and its object, but I would think they would all accept either version.

(If you're interested in more details, Ó Siadhail covers the topic reasonably well in Chapter 9 of his book Modern Irish.)

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Tadhganseo
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 06:10 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

go raibh maith agat for the excellent reply...

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 07:20 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'd say that Munster speakers would put é mostly after the verb and Ulster people at the very end of the sentence. For Connachta speakers I dunno.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Brídmhór
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 03:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Or,

"Rugadh sa bhliain 1960 é, i gContae Chill Mhantáin"



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