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Peige (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 08:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hi,

I've learned that pronouns normaly add féin when there are two or more subjects or objects in a sentence. For example one says: Tá mé féin agus thú féin anseo.

Now my question is, does this apply also to copular sentences? For instance, how would you say 'You and I are the priests' or 'You and I are priests'? would it be correct to say 'Is mé féin agus thú féin na sagairt' and 'Is sagairt mé féin agus thú féin'?

Go raibh maith agaibh!

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Posted on Friday, October 24, 2008 - 04:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

May I ask where you learned this rule? It's completely new to me. Are you sure you don't mean the emphatic forms (i.e. mise, tusa, sise, etc.) rather than the féin forms? If I saw is mé féin I would think it meant "and myself" because mise is usually the form that appears with the copula.

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Peige (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Friday, October 24, 2008 - 10:13 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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May I ask where you learned this rule? It's completely new to me.



I learned this rule from the book Learning Irish by Mícheál O Siadhail. The thing is LI, does not precise if this rule applies to the copula too. The only examples given in the book are with the verb bí. To give yet another example: 'Tá tu féin agus é féin ag an bhfuinneoig' to say 'he and you are at the window'

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Are you sure you don't mean the emphatic forms (i.e. mise, tusa, sise, etc.) rather than the féin forms? If I saw is mé féin I would think it meant "and myself" because mise is usually the form that appears with the copula.



No, I don't mean emphatic forms (i.e. mise, tusa, sise, etc.) but really rather forms which add the word 'féin'.

So what are you guys thinking this is all about?

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Peige (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 07:42 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Oh no, my thread is falling into oblivion. Oh well too bad I guess if no one knows what I'm talking about...

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Saturday, November 01, 2008 - 11:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'd say it would be the same as with a normal verb. But you should ask some Gaeltacht native speaker...

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Bearn
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Posted on Sunday, November 02, 2008 - 02:40 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ó Siadhail uses 'contrast' for 'mise, tuse' and 'sa/se' etc and 'emphasis' for 'féin'



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