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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2008 (September-October) » Archive through October 17, 2008 » R as 1st letter vs. 1st sound « Previous Next »

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Username: Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh

Post Number: 542
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 08:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Éist liom, a dhriofúr.

Question: would the first R in dhriofúr properly be pronounced slender or broad?

It is the initial sound in the word, which could indicate broad... but it only becomes the initial sound due to the vocative case, and is fronted by the nullified D, so it's not the first letter in the word, which might indicate slender.

I'm probably overanalyzing but it will drive me bananas if I don't ask.

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Bearn
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Post Number: 769
Registered: 06-2007


Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 09:13 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Pronounce it slender -it is being masked by the first semi-vowel. Someone probably knows counter examples

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 2516
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 01:04 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It *is* slender. The dh is not nullified, it is pronounced, as a y-sound. You can hear both sounds. I can record it if you like.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 544
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 12:03 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"I can record it if you like."

Actually, if you wouldn't mind, that would be great.

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 2519
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 08:11 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Here it is:

http://media.putfile.com/A-dhriofa-r

Tell me if it doesn't work. I tried to make a Munster pronunciation since "a dhriofúr" is mainly a Munster form.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Username: Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg

Post Number: 265
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 10:05 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Tá sé ag oibriú dhomsa. Tá sé aisteach--is trí shiolla atáim ag clos in áit dhá cheann.

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 2522
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:03 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cá bhfuil trí shiolla ? Ins an taifeadadh nó ins na háiteacha ar chualaidh tú ’n focal sin?

Deireamsa "a dhrio- fúr", ie. trí shiolla, ceart go leor.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Domhnaillín_breac_na_dtruslóg
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Post Number: 266
Registered: 04-2008
Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 11:22 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Is é an rud a chloisimse ná "a dh(i) - rio - fúr".

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 2524
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 08:45 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

D’úrt mé "uh y-ri-foor", más mian leat. Is leathchonsan an y- anseo.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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