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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 534
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 09:47 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Regarding bhíodh muid, bheadh muid:

Is the final -dh a gutteral, or not pronounced?

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Bearn
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Post Number: 696
Registered: 06-2007


Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 10:55 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

ch or ú

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Angmar
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 11:34 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In Cois Fhairrge at least, this sound is pronounced like a post-alveolar t in front of a slender 's'. The sequence of the two consonants (t + slender s) would sound like english 'ch' in the word chin. So then 'bhíodh sí' would approximatly be said 'vee-chee'.

I'm a bit curious, are there any other dialects which do this?

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Bearn
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 05:25 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

when I said ch I meant broad ch, but yes as a slender t before slender s -all dialects which use ch I'd imagine with parts of Conemara maybe mixed, as they can have long u or ch

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 10:00 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

In Cois Fhairrge at least, this sound is pronounced like a post-alveolar t in front of a slender 's'. The sequence of the two consonants (t + slender s) would sound like english 'ch' in the word chin. So then 'bhíodh sí' would approximatly be said 'vee-chee'.



to be more precise: only before subject pronouns that begin with s-: sé, sí, sinn, sibh, siad, seisean, sise, sinne, sibhse, siadsan, seo, sin, siúd.
You’d say "bheadh sé" mar "bheitsé" in Connemara and Ulster, but you’d pronounce "bheadh Seán" mar "bheach Seán" in Connemara and "bhe-ú Seán" in Ulster, since Seán is not one of these pronouns.

quote:

I'm a bit curious, are there any other dialects which do this?



Ulster.
Munster retains the ch sound before these s-.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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