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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Username: Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh

Post Number: 336
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 09:46 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
Does the copula have an autonomous form?
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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 2122
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 04:59 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
Not in Modern Irish, as far as I know.
Learn Irish pronunciation here: www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Abigail
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Post Number: 622
Registered: 06-2006


Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 04:36 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
As a quick Google search on "saorchopail" will establish...
Tá fáilte roimh chuile cheartú!
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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Username: Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh

Post Number: 337
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Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 09:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
Ní raibh mé in ann "saorchopail" a lorg san foclóir... Free something?
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Dennis
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Post Number: 3328
Registered: 02-2005


Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:36 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
Abigail's winking face was well placed there. Ag spraoi a bhí sí. Níl an focal "saorchopail" san fhoclóir ar chor ar bith. We do have the word "saorbhriathar" = free verb = autonomous verb, i.e. all those forms which do not specify the subject or actor, ar nós "déantar = (someone) does". But the copula has never had such forms, not even in Old Irish as passive forms.
"An seanchas gearr,
an seanchas is fearr."

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Tomás Ó hÉilidhe (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 06:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post
When you have the likes of "Is maith liom", "Is fearr liom, "Is aoibhinn liom", I consider the autonomous form to be when you take out the "le + person".

Is féidir liom é a bhriseadh = I can break it

Is féidir é a bhriseadh = It can be broken
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