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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 07:18 am: |
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Agóid ar son na Gaeilge agus in éadan an chiníochais fhrith-Ghaelaigh 12 in – 1in ag Stair Mhonadh Dé Máirt, 9ú lá Deireadh Fómhair Bus ag fágáil ón Chultúrlann ar 11in Léigh an preasráiteas iniata le haghaidh tuilleadh eolais Fáilte roimh chách ! __________________________________________ Protest against anti-Irish racism 12 pm – 1 pm at Stormont Tuesday 9 October Bus leaving An Chultúrlann at 11 pm Read the attached press statement for more information. Everyone welcome! PROTEST AGAINST ANTI-IRISH RACISM - SUPPORT THE IRISH LANGUAGE! Tuesday 9th October 12pm Stormont On Tuesday 9th October, UUP MLA David McNarry is proposing a draconian motion to ban the use of Irish in the NI Assembly. Irish language organisation ACHT have organised a protest to coincide with the hearing of the motion at Stormont next Tuesday at 12 pm. ACHT Spokersperson Ciarán Mac Giolla Bhéin said, “this motion not only contravenes Article 73 of the Assembly Regulations but also the Good Friday Agreement and the European Charter for Regional and Minority languages, both of which which uphold the right to speak and learn Irish. The use of indigenous languages is an internationally recognised human right that can't be held to ransom by anti-Irish racism or party political posturing. The Irish language community firmly believes that instances such as this highlight the necessity for a rights-based Irish language Act in the six counties.” Mr Mac Giolla Bhéin also stated that Tuesday's motion can't be taken in isolation and follows what he descirbed as, “a month of vitrolic and hugely insulting racist anti-Irish attacks by senior elected representatives of both the UUP and DUP. This was epitomised by the deeply offensive racist mockery of DUP MLA Gregory Campbell last month where he disgracefully imitated an Irish phrase by saying 'Cori my yogi Bear, a can coca colya'. Such irresponsible and racist behaviour is totally unacceptable and wouldn’t be tolerated by any other linguistic or ethnic minority. The Irish langauge community is no different and deserve a complete retraction and apology from Mr Campbell. “ACHT is calling on support of the Irish language community and all others who oppose racism and believe in human rights. We look forward to seeing you at Stormont.” CUR I gCOINNE CINÍOCHAS FRITH-GHAEILGE - TACAIGH LEIS AN GHAEILGE! Dé Máirt 9 Deireadh Fómhair 12in Stair Mhonadh Dé Máirt 9 Deireadh Fómhair, tá rún á chur os comhair Thionól an Tuaiscirt ag David McNarry, Feisire ón UUP, ina molann sé bac iomlán a chur ar úsáid na Gaeilge sa Tionól. Tá agóid eagraithe ag an eagras Gaeilge, ACHT, ar 12in Dé Máirt chun cur i gcoinne an rúin. Dúirt Úrlabhraí ACHT, Ciarán Mac Giolla Bhéin; “Ní hamháin go bhfuil an rún seo ag teacht salach ar Alt 73 de Rialacha an Tionóil ach fosta ar Chomhaontú Aoine an Chéasta agus ar an Chairt Eorpach, a thacaíonn le ceart an duine an Ghaeilge a fhoghlaim agus a labhairt. Tá an ceart chun teangacha dúchasacha a úsáid aitheanta go hidirnáisiúnta agus ní féidir ligint do chiníochas frith-Ghaeilge agus páirtithe polaitiúla an ceart seo a dhiúltú ar phobal na Gaeilge. Creideann cainteoirí Gaeilge go léiríonn eachtraí mar seo go bhfuil géarghá ann do Acht ceart-bhunaithe Gaeilge sna sé chontae.” Luaigh an tUasal Mac Giolla Bhéin chomh maith go gcaithfear rún na Máirte a chur san áireamh leis na hionsaithe fíochmhara eile a rinne polaiteoirí ón UUP agus ón DUP ar an Ghaeilge le mí anuas. “Is iomaí masla ciníoch a caitheadh leis an Ghaeilge ar na mallaibh. Mar shampla rinne Gregory Campbell, Feisire ón DUP, scigaithris chiníoch ar fhrása Gaeilge sa Tionól an mhí seo caite. Ní féidir glacadh leis an chineál seo iompair ó fheirsirí tofa agus ní chuirfeadh aon phobal eitneach suas lena leithéid. Is amhlaidh an scéal le pobal na Gaeilge agus tá leithscéal tuillte ag cainteoirí Gaeilge láithreach. “Tá ACHT ag iarraidh ar phobal na Gaeilge, agus ar dhuine ar bith eile a thacaíocht le ceart daonna, tacú leis an agóid agus cur i gcoinne an chiníochais. Tá súil againn go mbeidh sibh linn ag Stair Mhonadh.” CRÍOCH/END |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1235 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 03:07 pm: |
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Faraor ní bheidh mé in ann freastal ar an ócáid ach go n-éirí linn! A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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| Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 02:31 am: |
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Is aisteach an scéal é gurb é An tUasal Campbell atá ag caitheamh anuas ar an nGaeilge mar is aige féin atá an sloinne Gaelach! Nach ciallaíonn sé sin gur 'cam béal' nó béal cam atá aige ? Nach bhfuil sé ráite go mbriseann an dúchas....? Seanfhear |
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 58 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 04:48 am: |
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Seachas Sammy Wilson, seo sloinnte na bpríomhghníomhaithe fithghaelaigh sa tionól ó thuaidh. Mar a dúirt tú a sheanfhir, Campbell ( Bhfuil síceolaí sa toigh? |
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 08:12 am: |
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Cad tuige ar ghlanadh na haimneacha úd amach - bheadh siad brodúil as a bheith frith-ghaelach agus maidir le bunchiall a gcuid sloinnte - bíonn an fhírinne searbh. |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 248 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 06:16 pm: |
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Mac an Airi? Cambeal? Mac an Caslainn? Chuile le fuil Gaelach!!! More Gaelic than Adams! |
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Seanfhear
Member Username: Seanfhear
Post Number: 14 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 10:45 pm: |
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Caithfidh tu a bheith curamach, a Dhiarmo. Bhí sé de nós ag a lán Éireannaigh fadó a sloinnte a 'Shacsanú'. Cuimhnigh gurb é Dughlás de hÍde féin adúirt gur bhuail sé le fear dárb ainm 'Bird' uair amháin i gConnmara agus chuir sé ceist air, 'Cad as a dtagann sloinne mar sin, is dócha gur 'Mac An Éin' a bhí ort i dtosach? 'Ní hea ', ar seisean , ' Mac an Airí a bhí ar mo mhuintir ach níor mhaith linn 'Canary'. Cuimhnigh ar seo. Deirtear go raibh an-chuid den sloinne 'Mac Gabha' nó 'Mac an Gabha' a d'aistrigh go 'Smith. :-) Seanfhear |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1237 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:20 am: |
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As an nuachtán Lá Nua inniú : "Is cosúil gur teip atá i ndán do rún a chuirfear chun tosaigh inniu, rún a mholann cosc a chur ar úsáid na Gaeilge le linn diospóireachtaí i gComhthionól an Tuaiscirt ag Stormont. Nó tá Sinn Féin tar eis achainí imní a sheoladh chuig Oifig an Cheann Comhairle, Willie Hay, agus mar thoradh air sin, beidh gá le móramh náisiúnach agus aontachtach le reachtú a dhéanamh ar rún fheisire an UUP, David McNarry. Go deimhin, tháinig páirtithe eile chun tosaigh inné chun an Feisire McNarry agus a pháirtí a cháineadh go géar as an 'cur amú ama' agus an tseafóid. Dar le Páirtí an Chomhaontais, ba náire shaolta é an rún seo ón Fheisire McNarry, feisire ón UUP atá tar éis iarracht a dhéanamh roimhe seo stop a chur le reachtú Acht na Gaeilge. Dúirt urlabhraí ón pháirtí go ndeachaigh an rún 'rófhada'." A leithéid de truflais a bhí ann ar an gcéad dul síos! A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 12:17 pm: |
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Mac Náraigh 'son of the ashamed one' |
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Alun (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 04:06 pm: |
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A Dhiarmo, Even if Gerry Adams' surname is not Irish enough for you perhaps we should take a look at all his other ancestral names. The idea that a person's paternally- derived surname reflects their entire heritage is ludicrous. |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 249 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 04:33 pm: |
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I meant it jokingly a chairde! |
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Alun (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 05:29 pm: |
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Maith go leor. |
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Diarmo
Member Username: Diarmo
Post Number: 250 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 06:28 pm: |
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A Sheanfhear Ta cara agam leis an sloinne sin! Ean ata i mBuenos Aires! Airginteach an fear sin! Not all Irish people have Gaelic surnames though it has to be said..We are a mix..ach is Eireannach muid go leir! |
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sarah (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 06:39 am: |
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Ní maith an rud an tromaíocht ar aon bhealach |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1238 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 07:24 am: |
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Is Gael mise agus táim bródúil as Diarmo! grma... A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 6307 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 08:42 am: |
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http://www.gaelport.com/index.php?page=clippings&id=2430&viewby=date quote:'Unionists have been subjected to having the language forced down their throats in an uncompromising, adversarial way,' said Mr McNarry, who spoke with considerable passion, and who also left the chamber on occasions when Sinn Féin speakers were on their feet, including junior Minister Gerry Kelly. He said Mr Kelly's use of Irish in a reply was "sickening". quote:Mr McNarry's motion was defeated |
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Josh (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 09:36 am: |
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'Go raibh maith agat, Daithí,' said Ms Ní Chuilin. Any chance that Sinn Féin ministers can be introduced to the vocative case??? |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1240 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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I think the last people who should be slagged are Sinn Féin, no matter what your view of the party is. Ó nuacht.com : "Vótáil móramh d'fheisirí Chomhthionól an Tuaiscirt inné in éadan rúin ón UUP a mhol cosc a chur ar úsáid na Gaeilge ag airí an Fheidhmeannais agus le linn díospóireachtaí. Vótáil feisirí Pháirtí an Chomhaontais in éindí le baill Shinn Féin agus an SDLP lena chinntiú nach n-éireodh leis an rún, a mhol an feisire UUP, David McNarry, leas-chathaoirleach, mar a tharlaíonn sé, ar an Choiste Cultúir, Ealaíon is Fóillíochta. Chríochnaigh sé gur vótáil 46 in éadan an rúin agus 44 ar a shon. Gach aontachtach a bhí i láthair, votáil siad ar son an rúin. De bhrí gur shínigh os cionn 30 ball achainí imní, a spreag Sinn Féin, bhí gá le vótáil trasphobail ar an rún seo, sé sin go mbeadh ar mhóramh aontachtaithe agus móramh náisiúnaithe vótáil ina fhabhar. Sa deireadh, níor éirigh leis an rún móramh a bhaint amach, gan trácht ar mhóramh trasphobail." A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 254 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 06:25 pm: |
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what does slagged mean? Ceartaígí mo chuid Ghaeilge, le bhur dtoil!
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Danny2007 (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
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Sinn Féin aren't doing the language many favours in my opinion. The Irish Times claims they addressed David McNarry as Daithí. That's no better than somebody using the English equivalent with someone who has an Irish name. |
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Antaine
Member Username: Antaine
Post Number: 1102 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:42 pm: |
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There are multiple schools of thought on that. I for one feel that names are not absolute, and should change as the language changes. Name usage throughout most of human history would tend to agree - by that I mean up until fairly recently it was the convention to convert names, which is how Latin and Hebrew names made their way into Irish (and numerous other languages), and how Irish names made their way into english and just about all name crossover in all languages. [Insert discussion of Seán/Eoin, Pádraig and Maire here] [Insert insistence on identity being tied to specific phonemes here] [Insert reiteration of Pádraig and broadening to include Shavon here] [Rinse, repeat] Hm, somehow I don't think that's going to avert the name argument from taking place all over again, but you never know... |
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Danny2007 (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 03:39 am: |
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Be that as it may, I'm pretty sure it was done to piss off the UUP MLA. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 6312 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 06:11 am: |
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Scríobh O'Dwyer quote:what does slagged mean? To be made fun of. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1242 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 06:33 pm: |
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Well that's only your own assumption, it's not fact. It could have been an attempt at encouraging the language amongst unionists.. One of the 1st things you learn in a language is often your name. And anyway they deserve to be p*ssed off and more.. I mean it's time for them to grow up. Banning a language from a parliment? Get a grip. A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Odwyer
Member Username: Odwyer
Post Number: 255 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 08:49 pm: |
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thank you Aonghus! Ceartaígí mo chuid Ghaeilge, le bhur dtoil!
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Danny2007 (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:17 am: |
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I think it does more harm than good. Don't forget that we're talking about Sinn Féin here. Let's just say unionists have very good reason to be suspicious of them and their motives. "It could have been an attempt at encouraging the language amongst unionists.." Clearly, it's not working with the members of the UUP and DUP. That said, I do agree that attempting to ban Irish from being spoken in the Assembly was childish. It's unreasonable. |
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 64 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 04:21 am: |
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Danny, I have spoken Irish throughout my life. I rarely speak English in a social context. Yet, I, and people like me are continuely lectured to by people who speak no Irish to their kids or in their homes and for whom Irish is merely a hobby that it is we who harm the Irish language. I don't know who you are, I don't know your views, I don't know what language is spoken in your house but I'm sticking to Irish. What I say to those who critise me and my likes for using Irish as a living language rather than delicate china to be used once a year ... Fág an bealach. |
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Danny2007 (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
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Gaelgannaire, I think we're on the same page as far as wanting the best for the language. I'm glad that you're sticking to Irish!! I just think what Sinn Féin is doing is HARMING it. The perception of Irish. Are they really the best spokespeople for Irish in Northern Ireland? Gerry "I was never in the IRA" Adams!? It plays right into the hands of unionists. Take a language that many close minded people claim is "dead", link it to republicans, many who can barely get through basic sentences in the Assembly. And voila. In addition, those in Sinn Féin almost to a man can't truthfully say they've spoken Irish throughout their lives. How many are even fluent? I know you post on Slugger O'Toole. So do I. You can see even there the reaction this issue gets from many users. Go to politics.ie. Actually, you probably post there too. It's similar. It all smacks of tribalism and tokenism. But what's the alternative? |
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 66 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 05:14 am: |
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Danny, What people must realise is that unionists do not have the power to affect the amount of Irish spoken. I say to republicans who blame unionists and the 'english' for their lack of fluency - rubbish. But I also state clearly that unionists can use whatever rascist language they can muster to describe the language, but in truth there is little they can do about it apart from affecting an every decreasing number of weaker Irish speakers who believe that they need permission to be an Irish speaker. f Frankly, you believe that if Sinn Féin spokespeople are seen to be spaking for Irish that it 'HARMS' the language, frankly if they didn't stand up for the language it would be the end of their political careers. "Are they really the best spokespeople for Irish in Northern Ireland? " I would remind you that a large majority of northern nationalist vote Sinn Féin. Dominic Ó Brollacháin is the best political spokesperson for the language in the assembly bar none, but frankly the majority of his party don't agree with him. You are right about the Sinn Féin spokespeople and fluency but its the same story with every political party in Ireland. I agree they should just go out and learn. |
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Gaelgannaire
Member Username: Gaelgannaire
Post Number: 67 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 05:21 am: |
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Danny, BTW, I think that Caral Ní Chuilín calling McNarry Daithí was ridiculous, just as ridiculous as Alastair McDonnell calling Ian Paisley Junior 'Ian Óg'. The reality is if she called him Mac Náraigh only Irish speakers would have even noticed. |
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Rg_cuan
Member Username: Rg_cuan
Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 08:13 am: |
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Are they really the best spokespeople for Irish in Northern Ireland? No, but they're given all the airtime on Irish language issues from the media. The best spokespeople for Gaelic are not politicians but solid members of the Irish-speaking community. POBAL are doing their bit but it appears their main speaker doesn't excatly endear people to the issue. It's good to see ACHT coming forward with eloquent speakers. Overall, the views of general Irish language organisations should be represented by the media much more frequently than what currently happens. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1245 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 07:05 pm: |
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If Sinn Féin and to a lesser extent the SDLP don't stand up for our language who will? Do you honestly think that Unionists will? They're just going to turn around after trying to wipe the language out for 400 years and see the value and beauty of An Ghaeilge? As for the party, i would be sure that the party's language policy (Making the party bilingual being a clear example) and for the % of users in the party i can say confidently it out does any other party on the island. Hands down. I agree with Rg that language groups are the best spokespeople but groups, gaelscoileanna &rl need money. That means politics has to get involved. When your own language doesn't have any offical status, that means you need to bring in politics. I could go on all day... Sinn Féin are the one's who like it or not speak out and work for change. If unionists decide that makes it a "republican language" then that's their stupidity. They can join a rang gaeilge as easily as anyone else. A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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Grumpy Old Fogey (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 07:59 am: |
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Níl ach beirt bhall den Chomhthionól ar féidir a rá go bhfuil Gaeilge mhaith acu - Patsy McGlone agus Dominic Bradley. An chomhtharlúint ghlan é go mbaineann an bheirt acu leis an SDLP? Le bheith go hiomlán cóir don dream eile, caithfear a admháil go bhfuil Gaeilge réasúnta ag Caitríona Ruane, cé nach bhfuil sí inchurtha leis an mbeirt eile ná baol air. Ní bheadh sé ró-dheacair dise líofacht a bhaint amach dá mb'fhiú léi é a dhéanamh. Tá Bairbre de Brún níos fearr fós ach tá sí imithe chun na Bruiséile anois. Dá mba chás le Sinn Fein stádas na Gaeilge sa Chomhthionól is cinnte go gcoinneoidis an Brúnach in Stormont mar is ise an t-aon bhall dá gcuid a raibh greim cheart aici ar an teanga. Maidir leis na baill eile den pháirtí atá sa chomhthionól anois, is é an chomaoin is mó a d'fhéadfaidis a chur ar an nGaeilge na cloí leis an mBéarla. Dála an scéil, níl aon bhaint idir an t-ainm dúchasach 'Dáithí' agus an t-ainm Eabhraise 'David'. Is é 'Dáibhí' (nó 'Dáibhidh' sa seanlitriú) an Ghaeilge ar 'David'. |
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Domhnall
Member Username: Domhnall
Post Number: 1249 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 05:18 pm: |
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Tá iníon Caitríona ag freastal ar bhunscoil an Iúir.. Gaolta gerry ag freatal ar ghaelscoileanna i mBéal Feirste. Scéal céanna do dream sách-mhór i Sinn Féin. Ná déanaigí dearmad nach raibh na deiseanna céanna ag Gerry agus daoine eile de chuid Sinn Féin gaeilge a fhoghlaim mar pháistí. Ní dóigh liom go raibh gaelscoileanna ann agus sna drochlaethanta sin, ní thabharfadh an "protestant govt for protestant ulster" tacaíocht dá leithéid pé scéal. D'athraigh Sinn Féin & Sdlp an scéal. Ní na hAontachtóirí nó Fianna Fáil nó Peig. Na laethanta seo, b'fhéidir é - b'fhéidir nach bhfuil gaeilge líofa ag chuile duine sa pháirtí ach ó thaobh polasaí teanga de agus ó thaobh muintir Sinn Féin ag obair ar son na gaelscolaíochta agus na gaeilge ní féidir bheith ag gearán. Dála an scéil creidim go bhfuil an "Slogadh" ar siúl i mBinn Éadair an mhí seo. Imeacht ar fad ar fad trí ghaeilge atá ann. N'fheadar bhfuil a leithéid ag páirtí ar bith eile? Táim tar éis eolais a lorg ar an suíomh mar gheall ar an méid thuasluaite agus tar éis dul tríd an suíomh - i nGaeilge. Shock horror - http://www.sinnfein.ie/gaelic/ A people without a language of its own is only half a nation.A nation should guard its language more than its territories, 'tis a surer barrier and a more important frontier than mountain or river
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