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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (September-October) » Archive through September 07, 2007 » Vowel combinations: how to identify a glide - redux « Previous Next »

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 09-2006


Posted on Monday, September 03, 2007 - 09:10 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In my never-ending quest for a reliable method of accurately sounding out vowel combinations, I'm wondering...

Of the slender vowels (e, i), when used in vowel combinations:

When i comes directly before a consonant, it seems to act as a glide and slenderize that subsequent consonant.

When e comes directly after a consonant, it tends to act as a glide and slenderize that preceding consonant

(This tendency assumes that neither the i nor e bear fadas, in which case they'd take precedence as the vowel sound in the vowel combination.)

Two questions:

1 - Is this observation even accurate or am I missing something?

2 - Is there an equivalent rule for broad consonants?

Thank you!

(Message edited by domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh on September 03, 2007)

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Róman
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Post Number: 1048
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 02:51 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Your observation is wrong. In combination "ui" it is "i" that is pronounced, not "u" (except for 3 words in Munster - cuid, agaibh, againn). The same applies to "oi" in many cases - at least in Munster. In Conamara it is still different.

Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 278
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 04:05 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Right you are, a Róman!

Maybe there's only one general question rather than my above two:

Is there ANY accurate, reliable rule that will provide guidance on when a vowel, in a vowel pair, is a glide- or a voiced-vowel?

Or is it all just a random hodge-podge that must be memorized by rote?

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Domhnall_Ó_h_aireachtaigh
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Post Number: 279
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 04:17 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Let it be said, I'm falling prey to the same desire for a pattern that I dismissed earlier regarding plurals, and I realize this.

It just seems that slenderizing and broadening consonants would be more rigorously defined because it's a spelling convention rather than a grammatical one, if that makes sense.

I may well be mistaken, but I'd like to know one way or another.

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Róman
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Post Number: 1050
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Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 04:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

There are not so many permutations, so you can simply learn them (based on Múscraí dialect):

ea - ['a], exceptions: bead [b'ed], beam [b'em] - future tense of bí, beag [b'og], deacair [d'o-], seachas [s'o-]
ei ['e']
eo - ['o] - although there are only 3 words with this combination (pre-CO): deoch, eochair, seo
eu = éa, except euro where it is pronounced [ju:]

ia - ['i@]
ie - does not exist
io - ['u], but ['i] before r, s, d, t, th: giota, bior
iu - ['u] - tiubh, inniubh

ae - [e:]
ai - [a'], but againn, agaibh [u']
ao - [e:], but caora [i:]
aoi [i:], but naoi, caoi [e:]
au - doesn't exist

oe - doesn't exist
oa - doesn't exist
oi - [i'], except scoil, coirce, sroisim, troid, droichead - [o']
ou - doesn't exist

ua - [u@]
ue - doesn't exist
ui - [i'], but cuid [u']
uo - doesn't exist

Gaelainn na Mumhan abú!



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