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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2007 (March-April) » Archive through April 11, 2007 » Sentance Structure? « Previous Next »

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Mháire (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:00 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'm am a complete beginner at Irish, and am having trouble with sentance structure. Anything on this would help, since lately I use English structure for Irish, and I know that's not right. If anyone could point me towards a helpful resource or explain anything, that would be great! Thanks!

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Pádraig
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:23 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

As a complete beginner, the first thing I had to get used to was the word order in sentences.

First the verb; then the subject; then the modifiers.

"The young boy ran," becomes "Ran the boy young."

After you get accustomed to that, brace yourself for all the exceptions you'll encounter.

Ní maith é an duine a bheith leis féin.

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Antaine
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 11:52 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Listen to lots of old Irish people speaking english. I'm frequently able to sort out what the Irish syntax should be by asking myself "how would my great-grandmother have said that?"

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Mháire (Unregistered Guest)
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Yes, my great grandfather used to have a odd way of piecing together sentances, but he passed on quite a while ago, so that is no longer an option, but thanks for the advice anyways. Pádraig, thanks a bunch. Those things really confuse me and it's wonderful to have it put in understandable English. All the other sites I've tried use words which I don't know the meaning to and have half of everything in Gaelic!

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Maidhc_Ó_g
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Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Take a look here under 'clauses and syntax'.
Actually, the whole site is great.

http://nualeargais.ie/gnag/gramadac.htm

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BRN (Unregistered Guest)
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Sentance structure such as VSO can be a great rubric for remembrance, : when to know when to use iad vs said, sé vs é, í vs sí, tú vs thú -simple, full form is in Subject position, shorn form, é in in Object position

ex mé and tú (tú becomes thú)

VSO
ChualathúI heard you
Chualamisethú*I* heard you
Chualamé fheinthúI myself heard you
Chualamise mé fhéinthú*I myself* heard you



And goes without saying -FRC!

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Mháire (Unregistered Guest)
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Thanks everyone! The chart and sites are helping a bunch! Hopefully I'll soon be able to participate in you Irish conversations! (wishful thinking)

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Karen H. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Regarding:
As a complete beginner, the first thing I had to get used to was the word order in sentences.

First the verb; then the subject; then the modifiers.

"The young boy ran," becomes "Ran the boy young."


So, would "The young boy ran very quickly" become "Ran very quickly the boy young"?

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Mac_léinn
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Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 06:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Rith an buachaill óg go an-tapa(idh).

Ran the boy young very quickly.

I think that would be the normal word order, although I think the order that you indicate above is correct also.

P.S. The idh ending is a variant spelling of quickly.

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Dennis
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Posted on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

go han-tapa(idh)


"An seanchas gearr,
an seanchas is fearr."




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