This question actually comes from a conversation I have with a gentleman from Sligo this morning...

As we were typing back and forth, he typed "ar an tábla." Now I knew that "tábla" means table, but I was interested to learn that he never uses the word "bord" when he means table.

He said that he was told in school that "bord" is a bit a dated word. That the word "bord" didn't really mean table, but was actually a reference to the literal board people use for the top of the table. Whether it is true or not, I can see why some people might think that.

My question, is "bord" a dated word? I have three Irish dictionaries and they all list "tábla" first for table. Now I have always been taught "table = bord" and "tábla" is a more modern borrowing from English, which seems pretty obvious, but has it taken over?

Are there any here who also use "tábla" instead of "bord?"

All of the folks I know who speak Ulster Irish use tábla - I was under the impression that it was a dialect thing and not a modernity issue, but I could be mistaken. I'm interested in what the others have to contribute.

A Mhéabh,

I know that in the "Now You're Talking" course they use tábla instead of bord.

(Message edited by do_chinniúint on March 24, 2007)

It is a dialect feature. In Ulster we do use tábla while Connemara and Munster people use bord.

The BBC Northern Ireland language learning program "Giota Beag" uses tabla consistently,

Cá bhfuil an bainne?
Ar an tabla.

A Phádraig...

You wouldn't be from the Sligo area would you...?

I only ask because that was the name of the guy I was chatting with the other day. Who knows, maybe all roads lead to Daltaí also :0)

Maybe this is the lazy American in me, but for some reason I have started using tábla more and more. And to be honest, I am guilty of telling people that is the word for table also...maybe not the best thing to do, but is a lie either.

I only got to spend a few days in Donegal when I was there...I was more interested in touring Derry at the time. I can't recall ever hearing either, however, I wonder if it can be considered a dialect thing if people in Sligo might be using tábla instead of bord?

No; not from Sligo. Born and reared in the U.S. But my ancestors are from Mayo.

Would tábla not be Béarlachas?

Ní Béarlachas ach Frainceachas é: Le table

Dála an scéil:
Tábla is mó acu ó thuaidh
Clár is mó acu siar agus
Bord is mó acu ó theas

[Amhail préata, fata agus práta]

Agus i nGaeilge na hAlban: Bord is mó atá acu
agus i mBreatnais: Bwrdd

"La table", en français (focal baininscneach).

Ach is eagal liom gur focal Béarla é "bord" < board..., nó focal Lochlannaise (Sean-Íoslainnise?).

A Dhomhnaill: má bhaineann tú achan fhocal iasachta don Ghaeilg beidh i bhfad níos lú focal inti, agus má bhaineann tú achan fhocal iasachta don Bhéarla, cha bhíonn tú ábalta rud ar bith a rá níos mó !!!! :-)

Lol is fíor sin Lughaidh!

Dála an scéil Lughaidh, tchím go n-úsáideann tú féin go leor des na rudaí nua-chloiste agam agus mé i mBéal Feirste...

Cha - caidé is ciall le sin?

Bímse ag úsáid na nathanna cainte nua seo sa chaint toisc nach dtuigeann duine ar bith céard a bhím ag rá agus Gaeilge Chonamara agam!

Oui, Louis, mon copain, une table: je m'excuse.

Ná bíodh d'eagla ort i dtaobh "bórd". Ní focal eisiatach béarla é: tá sé sa Ghearmáinis leis agus is dócha na teangacha a luann tú, mar sin ní fheicim aon fháth gur béarlachas sa Ghaeilge an focal é.

Ach ag déanamh mo mharana dom arís, seans gur ón Laidin an focal tábla: TABULA a bhfuil an chiall chéann leis agus atá ag bórd .i. clár

Ní bhainfeadh 'tábla' le béarlachas cibé, nó baineann béarlachas le cúrsaí comhréire, mar atá an críól, agus structúr abairtí an Bhéarla in úsáid sa Ghaeilge- Tá mé fear, agus dá réir.

Sauver un arbre - mange un castor ;)

Bord - Board
Tábla - Table
Clár - ?

Sauver un arbre - mange un castor ;)

Quel rire? ;-)

Bord - Board ?
Tábla - Table ?
Clár - ?

=Tabula !

:P

Cha - caidé is ciall le sin?

Cha = ní. Tá iontas orm nár chuala tú sin i mBéal Feirste. Ach is féidir go bhfuil níos mó Gaeilge caighdeánaí acu sin ná Gaeilg Uladh... Úsáidtear "cha" in iarthuaisceart Thír Chonaill, go háiríd i nGaoth Dobhair, Cloich Cheannfhaola, Toraigh srl.

Ní deirtear "cha" ar Thóraí murb'ionann is an tír mhór taobh leis. ;-)

Úsáidim "bord" nuair is do bhord a shuíonn tú aige agus a itheann tú aige a bhím ag tagairt. Úsáidim "tábla" nuair is do thábla uimhreacha a bhím ag tagairt.

Feicim go bhfuil "bordd" sa tSeanGhaeilge(Sa MheánGhaeilge?)agus an bhrí chéanna leis agus atá ag tábla/clár/bord.

tagann clár ón gCeiltis "Klaro-s" agus an bhrí chéanna leis.

Ní fheicim béarlachas ar fud an bhaill!

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Níos mó Gaeilge caighdeánaí i mBéal Feirste.. Ag magadh atá tu!?!?

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