Halo,

I have been working on focail related to the body and just realised that I didn't have a focal for body.

When I look it up, I get a couple of roghanna and I am not sure which would be a better rogha when talking about the body in general.

Cabhail
Colainn
Corp
Corpán

If I am not mistaken corpán is used only when talking about a dead corpse correct?

Ach...which of these focail would I use when talking generally about the body? I mean, if I had to tell the average duine who doesn't know or care about the differences, that this focal means body...which word would be the better rogha to tell them?

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If I am not mistaken corpán is used only when talking about a dead corpse correct?

Ceart.

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Ach...which of these focail would I use when talking generally about the body?

Corp.

GRMA Dennis,

I just purchased the 2006 Collin's Gem Irish Dictionary and it lists in the English to Irish section corp first. So I was thinking so...

When it comes to focail in the foclóir, is it safe to assume that the first focal given is probably the best rogha if you are looking for good general aistriúchán?

For instance the word "definition" gives:

sainmhíniú
sainiú
géire
léire

And that is all I have to go on. If I look at each of these words and put thought into it...I can understand why they were put under "definition" even if they don't exactly translate as "definition."

But if I want the focal "definition" I should go with sainmhíniú.

For some reason I have encountered with anatomy words, several possibilites to choose from and I am having trouble deciding which word I want to as a beginner associate with that word.

I want to be able to say "body...oh yeah I know that word, it's corp."

cabhail is trunk/torso; you could use colainn especially if you were talking about the physical body.

you could try crosschecking by looking up the irish word you have selected in the irish/english side of the dictionary.

cabhail [ainmfhocal baininscneach]
corp an duine seachas an ceann agus na géaga; an chuid de ghúna a chlúdaíonn an chabhail, cabhaileog; (le feithicil, foirgneamh agus araile) creatlach, fráma.

colainn [ainmfhocal baininscneach den dara díochlaonadh]
corp an duine (an diabhal i gcolainn dhaonna); mianta an choirp (pléisiúir na colainne); cabhail (colainn gan cheann; colainn báid).

corp [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
iomlán substainteach duine nó ainmhí, marbh nó beo (idir anam agus chorp); duine marbh (corp os cionn cláir, teach an choirp); creatlach (léim sé as a chorp); cabhail, colainn (corp gan cheann); stoc (corp crainn, corp colúin); iomlán (is é corp na fírinne é; le corp nirt).

corpán [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
corp marbh; ceann de reanna neimhe.

I usually do check multiple sources...the first thing I like to do is use my new Collin's Gem, then I like to use that Online English to Irish Dictionary, and finally I like to use the English to Irish dictionary on the An Chrannóg website. And when it comes to using the words I will use An Foclóir Beag.

The problem I run into is this:

body n corp nm1, colainn f2, (dead)corp, corpán m1, marbhán m1, (of car/plain) caibhal f; (fig: society) comhlacht m3, (of wine) tathag m1; ~ odour (B.O.) boladh m1 coirp

(2006 Collin's Gem Irish Dictionary p.35)

So then I look up the various words in the Irish section and in each you will find "body" without clarification.

The Online English to Irish website has the following:

www.englishirishdictionary.com

>>body<<

TRANSLATION:
body = n corp m1
body = colainn f2
body = corp
body = corpán m1
body = marbhán m1
body = cabhail f
body = comhlacht m3
body = tathag m1

So I can see the same words being used but I am left guessing sometimes. At least with "body" corp is the first rogha listed.

Faigh Foclóir níos fearr!

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Ní bheidh tú sásta go mbeidh an foclóir mór, Foclóir Gaeilge-Béarla le Niall Ó Dónaill agat.

Dennis,

I wasn't sure if your last was to me, if it was...then it is not the foclóir that I am not happy with, in fact, I rather enjoy thumbing through the little Gem's foclóir.

However, I do not have enough eolas of the language yet to be able to choose the better focal when I am given several words to choose from.

I consider myself to be of average intleacht and can usually figure things out, but there are times when I need a fluent/more fluent speaker to say...no, this is the word want for that. And unfortunately, with all our technology, books still don't talk in Irish yet ;)

An bhfuil an foclóir mór FGB agat, uhh... Ask Me? OK, cén t-ainm atá ort?

(These questions may be pushing your Irish-language limits, but that's ok, isn't it?)

An bhfuil an foclóir mór FGB agat?---Níl an foclóir mór FGB agam. (I think that's correct)

Cén t-ainm atá ort?---Gavin is ainm dom.

I know there are other people posting here with this name, so I will try to keep it simple.

Also, I am not sure if I want a very big foclóir right now. I am just trying to grasp the basics at the moment and I don't think I need an indepth dictionary. What I would really like to see is a beginner's dicaitiory that gives at most one or two options. Is it as helpful to the more advanced, proabably not, but to the beginner it would be nice to be able to go to an entry and not have to sift through the choices.

The other day I went to the library to see what resources it had on Irish and I found a fantastic dictionary for Welsh. It is called Welsh-English, English-Welsh Dictionary by H. Meurig Evans and published by Hippocrene Books in 1993.

It is great because for the most part it only gives a single word for every entry while the other Welsh dictionries listed several for that entry. In the front of the dictionary it says that each word given was chosen because they are accepted as being the most commonly used or gerneral terms.

Is there anything like this for Irish?

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An bhfuil an foclóir mór FGB agat?---Níl an foclóir mór FGB agam. (I think that's correct)

Ceart!

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Cén t-ainm atá ort?---Gavin is ainm dom.

Tá áthas orm aithne a chur ort.

Tá ceist eile agam ort. Tá feirm agat. Céard a fhásann ar an bhfeirm?

A Dhennis...do you aspirate your name?

Tá ceist eile agam ort.

There isn't a thread long enough to cover all my questions ;)

Tá feirm agat. Céard a fhásann ar an bhfeirm?

Tá feirm agam, mo theaghlach...ba feirmeoirí siad, ach is scoláire mé anois. Mo dheartháir, is feirmeoir é.

How do I say "I live with him." My guess would be something like "Tá mé mo chónaí leis."

Céard a fhásann ar an bhfeirm?

Ba, muca, capaill, cearca, caoirigh, abhar indiach, pónaire shoighe.

An-deas! Níl ar an bhfeirm bheag bhídeach atá agamsa ach cearca (agus a bhfear céile, ar ndóigh!), crainn torthaí agus alfalfa.

Ach cé mhéid cearca atá agaibh? Cén cineál?

Nílim ach curious - tá dúil mhór agam i gcearca. :-)

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A Dhennis...do you aspirate your name?

Non-Irish names that begin with D and T are usually not lenited. They have no special vocative form.

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"Tá mé mo chónaí leis."

Sin é, ach tá focal beag eile ann: Tá mé i mo chónaí leis.


(Message edited by dennis on January 24, 2007)

Do you want me to stop leniting your name then, a D(h)ennis?

Beir bua agus beannacht

A Dennis :)

GRMA

Tá mé i mo chónaí leis = I live with him.

Then would it be:

I live in Iowa.

Tá mé i mo chónaí in Iowa...or...Tá mé mo chónaí in Iowa?

Sorry Abigal, I did not see your post.

Ach cé mhéid cearca atá agaibh? Cén cineál?

How many hens (chickens) are at me, and what kind?

The recent aimsir hasn't been the kindest to our chickens. But we have a fair mix of breeds for different reasons. We have about "caoga circe" of different breeds like Leghorns, Rhode Island Reds, New Hampshires, agus Wyandottes.

Chickens are the spawn of satan...and nothing you are going to say can change my mind on this matter ;0)

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I live in Iowa.

Tá mé i mo chónaí in Iowa.

Sin agat é go díreach glan! (= Precisely!) Seo cúpla abairt duit:

Tá mé i mo chónaí in Seattle.
Tá tú i do chónaí in Iowa.

Tá na cearca ina gcodladh. [codladh KO-luh = sleeping]
Níl mé i mo chodladh.

Tá tú i do scoláire.
Tá Abigail ina scoláire freisin. Is matamaiticeoir í.
Tá sí ina feirmeoir freisin.
Níl tú i d'fheirmeoir.

An dtuigeann tú? :-)

An dtuigeann tú? :-)

I think I got most of that...

Is staraí mé. (history major)

Mo coláiste reatha, tá sé in Iowa. Críochnóidh mé mo choláiste i Wisconsin.

(University of Wisconsin Milwaukee offeres an Irish Studies Certificate program that I would like go along with my History major)

It requires four semester of Irish taught be faculty from all regions of Ireland so I am trying to learn the basics of Irish now. That way it isn't such a shock when I get there.

And yes I know I probably butchered all of the above ;-(

Ta ciapadh orm. My university doesn't have such a thing :(

Beir bua agus beannacht