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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2006 (November-December) » Archive through December 05, 2006 » Mutation S becomes T « Previous Next »

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Fear_na_mbróg
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Username: Fear_na_mbróg

Post Number: 1289
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In the Standard, you have:

ar an siúcra (masculine)
ar an tsráid (feminine)

I've heard though that the majority of speakers say:

ar an tsiúcra (masculine)
ar an tsráid (feminine)

What percentage of people don't change it to "tsiúcra"? Is it a minorty like 40%, or is it something like 5%?

As a person learning Irish, would you be better off to ignore the Standard on this one and mutate for both masculine and feminine?

Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
Ceartaigh rud ar bith atá mícheart -- úsáid phrásaí go háirithe.

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Róman
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Username: Róman

Post Number: 562
Registered: 03-2006
Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 04:07 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

ar an tsiúcra (masculine)
ar an tsráid (feminine)



Such pronunciation is found in Tír Chonaill only.

In Cois Fhairraige you have the same as in standard.

In north Connacht (+Mayo) and Munster you have:

ar an siúicre
ar an sráid.

Except for standard with its idiotic rule, the rule everywhere is straightforward - "s" becomes "t" after article when lenited.

That is why you have "ts" in Tír Chonaill, as they always lenite after prep+article, and you don't have anything in Munster - as there is urú here, so no "ts" is possible.

Alternatively after sa:

sa tsaol in both Munster and Tír Chonaill.
sa tsráid

the same rule goes for other similar situations (lenition of "s" after n" -

aon tsaghas, aon tsaol



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