A question on a previous thread:

"Is Karhu clampróir agus é seafóideach."

Another "is" isn't needed though there is another phrase?
Ex. "Is Karhu clampróir agus is é seafóideach."

This thread got archived and only Dennis had time to answer before it was, but I wasn't very clear and I don't think he quite got the gist of my question. I meant that there are two phrases, why don't they each get their own verb? You wouldn't say
"Kahru is a (insert adjective of choice) and he a (insert adjective of choice). You need another is. Also, in Dennis' answer, he said that "é" comes after the adjective. Why is this not true for this sentence? So I guess it's two questions, really.

P.S. I apologize my example is offensive, but it was the same post that gave me questions. I would have changed it, but I was worried that by changing the sentence I might change the grammar and confuse myself more.

Here's how I'd handle it, OD:

Is clampróir (é) Cathal, agus tá sé seafóideach.

In two sentences:

Is clampróir (é) Cathal.
Tá Cathal seafóideach.

Compare that to the explanations I gave at the end of the locked thread and see if it all makes sense.

Actually, I think it should be, "Is é ('Sé) Karhu clampróir agus seafóideach é."

When a definite noun is the subject of the sentence with a copula, it is preceded with its respective pronoun - é, í. That covers the first half of the sentence.

For the second half, you have an emphatic use with an adjective - where the pronoun follows.

As it is a single sentence where the subject is understood in both halves, so too is the verb.

P.S. I don't know Karhu, so I must state, my own use of the sentence was because it was the example being used. I have no negative opinion of him.

Maidhc.

Aw Dennis, you beat me in on that. And you may be more correct than I. Grammarically pé scéal é.

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Actually, I think it should be, "Is é ('Sé) Karhu clampróir agus seafóideach é."

But that's just wrong. Take the same advice I just gave OD and reread what I wrote at the end of the other thread. Your pattern would come into play only if we wanted to say that so-and-so was "THE troublemaker", not "A troublemaker":

Is é Cathal AN clampróir. = C is the troublemaker.

Is clampróir (é) Cathal. = C is a troublemaker.

As I said, the syntax of the copula is complex!

So you're saying the author of that post was using bad grammar?

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A question on a previous thread:

"Is Karhu clampróir agus é seafóideach."

Another "is" isn't needed though there is another phrase?
Ex. "Is Karhu clampróir agus is é seafóideach."

This thread got archived and only Dennis had time to answer before it was, but I wasn't very clear and I don't think he quite got the gist of my question. I meant that there are two phrases, why don't they each get their own verb? You wouldn't say
"Kahru is a (insert adjective of choice) and he a (insert adjective of choice). You need another is. Also, in Dennis' answer, he said that "é" comes after the adjective. Why is this not true for this sentence? So I guess it's two questions, really.

P.S. I apologize my example is offensive, but it was the same post that gave me questions. I would have changed it, but I was worried that by changing the sentence I might change the grammar and confuse myself more.

Wow! I am new to this site, and your posting led me to preview the archives just now. I obviously missed the post you are talking about, but I have found it now. You can post sentences like "Is Karhu clampróir agus é seafóideach" with the approval of the moderator, can you?
Can libels be posted about anyone on this site? Is Daltaí a willing publisher of libels? It is almost impossible to defend yourself against an accusation of libel in Irish courts - the laws are quite different from those in the US. I would encourage everyone on this site to do a google search on Irish libel law, and following that avoid the posting of any libellous material at all. Surely it is not what this site is for?

I agree. The Daltaí archives do contain an increasingly large number of legally suspect posts - on both sides of various arguments. In think the key is to focus on the Irish language on this forum.

I don't mean that Kahru is, I am not the author of that post. I just found the sentence structure confusing! I am asking a question about the language, NOT making the statement!

(Message edited by odwyer on August 07, 2006)

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You can post sentences like "Is Karhu clampróir agus é seafóideach" with the approval of the moderator, can you?

A lot (if not most) of the Irish posted on this forum is flawed. Mainly, people tend to leave out séimhiú's, but in other places, they get the grammar totally wrong. I don't know of any forum which censors its postings on such grounds as grammar.

On most newsgroups, the majority of people make a balls of English grammar too -- although the vast majority of the time, it doesn't hinder communication.

And finally, this site is entitled "Daltaí na Gaeilge", translated to English as "Students of Irish"; would you not expect to see flawed Irish now and again?

I think the unregistered guest was commenting on the inappropriateness of the statement, not the grammar. However, I could be wrong.

Heads up. The last two posts from an "Unregistered Guest", the second one agreeing with the first, both come from the same provider, "Everyones Internet", in Houston, Texas. Feictear domsa gurb é an duine seo atá ag iarraidh an lasóg a chur sa bharrach.

yes, they do. But libel is libel, Dennis. Is that what Ethel Brogan set up Daltaí for? By the way, this post is from Houston too.

UG, I didn't start this board to get into a fight about libel. If you want to start a thread on it, go ahead. But until then, please try to stay on topic!

Dúirt Unregistered anois díreach:

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Is that what Ethel Brogan set up Daltaí for?

Dúirt Karhu tamall ó shin (26 Iúil):

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Contempt for learners is contrary to the raison d'etre of this board. Ask Ethel Brogan.

Ní minic a tharraingtear an t-ainm naofa sin anuas sna díospóireachtaí anseo. Hmmm.... An féidir aon tátal a bhaint as sin?

A Dhonncha, I have made my point. I don't intend to post again, having made my point. I reserve the right to sue Ethel Brogan, Kevin O'Cleary, Daltaí na Gaeilge and posters on this board in respect of posts (if any) that breach my civil rights under Irish law. Daltaí's disclaimer on the homepage that they are not responsible for the content of any posts is of no legal value whatsoever. Irish law makes quite clear that the publisher and distributor are legally responsible for defamatory material.

So you're saying that you ARE Kahru?

Ah. Dlí á bhagairt. Sean cleas na dtroll.

Ná cothaigh é!

(Message edited by aonghus on August 07, 2006)

Go raibh míle maith agat, a Dhennis, for the heads up on this latest troll activity - your detective work is very much appreciated! I will now follow Aonghus' sound advice ...

Bhí Karhu ag tabhairt tacaíocht do Róman sa chaoi céanna is a bhí Karhu ag tabhairt tacaíocht do Karhu anseo. Ní cheapann sibh gur............. Naw.
Nach ait an mac an saol. Tá orainn bheith inár mbleachtairí.
Níor chualamar ar ais ó Sheosamh ná cén chaoi ar éirigh leis le Róman. Hmmm.

Cén Gaeilge atá againn ar Troll?
An púca, an ea?