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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2006 (May-June) » Archive through June 25, 2006 » Beirt mhac or beirt mhic? « Previous Next »

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Jimnuaeabhrac
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 06:50 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I would appreciate help with the following:

I see that "beirt mhac" is widely used but I can't understand it isn't "beirt mhic."

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1345
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

After "beirt" you have to use the genitive plural (in some grammars they say the nominative singular; for many words they have the same form anyway), and never the genitive singular or the nominative plural, so you cn't have *beirt mhic. Has to be "beirt mhac".

Tír Chonaill abú!

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 3294
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Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 07:13 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ag tacaíocht leis sin:
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32. Uimhreacha pearsanta + ginideach (iolra de ghnáth); séimhiú i ndiaidh beirt, an bheirt, consan lom i ndiaidh na n-uimhreacha eile, m.sh. beirt bhan, an bheirt bhuachaillí, triúr fear, ceathrar feirmeoirí; "an" an fhoirm den alt a úsáidtear leis na huimhreacha pearsanta, m.sh. an seachtar cailíní



http://www.ucc.ie/acad/mi/cursai/gramadachnua/grnua4.html

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Aonghus
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Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 08:22 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

recte: ag tacú leis sin:

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Jimnuaeabhrac
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Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 11:55 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ah-ha! Go raibh maith agaibh!

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1346
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 02:52 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ar " http://www.ucc.ie/acad/mi/cursai/gramadachnua/ "

tchíthear : The declensions = na díochlaonta ??? Mór an náire a leithéid de mheancóig a dh’fheiceáilt ar shuíomh ofaigiúil ollscoile mar sin !!!! Is é foirm iolraidh "díochlaonadh" "díochlaontaí", féach foclóir Uí Dhónaill. Tá súil ’s agam nach iad múinteoirí Gaeilge Ollscoil Chorcaí a chum na leathanaigh sin !

Tír Chonaill abú!



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