i ndiaidh or ina dhiaidh, is there a difference here or does it mean the same? Any enlightenment on the two is welcome

i ndiaidh is the base form "after".

ina dhiaidh - after him.

So you have:

i mo dhiaidh - after me
i do dhiaidh - after you (sg)
ina dhiaidh - after him
ina diaidh - after her

inár ndiaidh - after us
in bhur ndiaidh - after you (pl)
ina ndiaidh - after them


FRC

ahhhh it is "téim chun na scoile agus caithim tamall le mo chairde ina dhiaidh sin" ?

chun na scoile? very strange - I would say "go dtí an scoil". Still for "school" there is a better idiom - "ar scoil".

Anyway, "I go to school and spend time with my friends after it" <- this is my translation. I might be wrong.

Bail ó Dia ort

THe chun na scoile is something I got from Lughaidh.
But yeah your translation is what I was trying to say. Thanks for all your help Róman. It is much appreciated

Word "scoil" is feminine. So I would rather recommend saying smth on these lines:

Téim ar scoil agus caithim tamall le mo chairde ina diaidh.

But still the phrase feel very clumsy - if you spend time AFTER the school, why are connecting these unconnected phrases with "agus"?

Is áit seachas tréimhse ama scoil ag Esther thuas. Tá a leagan siúd ceart go bhfeictear dom.

It is a natural language. There is more than one correct way of saying something.

chun na scoile? very strange - I would say "go dtí an scoil". Still for "school" there is a better idiom - "ar scoil".

"chun na scoile" is not very strange, it is what everyone says in Donegal Gaeltacht ;-)

A Lughaidh,

but it isn't "ar scoil" more wide-spread?

There is a difference, (to me) which I forgot in the last post.

"ar scoil" = at school, being educated
"chun na scoile" = to the school, i.e. the building.

Not sure whether this distinction would be drawn everywhere.

Totally unscientific comparison

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22chun+na+scoile%22&word2 =%22ar+scoil%22

I agree with Aonghus, "ar scoil" = at school, being educated.
go dtí an scoil (Munster) = chun na scoile (Ulster = (going) to school.

Scríobh Lughaidh:

quote:

I agree with Aonghus

An rud is annamh, is iontach!

OK. Maybe I didn't make clear myself.

If the sentence is:

"I go to school and I spend time with my friends AFTER IT".

Then what sense is put onto word "school": building or place for learning? I can't imagine one can spend the time with friends AFTER a building!

So I maintain that in this particular sentence both "go dtí scoil" and "chun an scoile" are WRONG, only "ar scoil" will do.

(Message edited by Róman on May 22, 2006)

1	téim chun na scoile agus caithim tamall le mo chairde ina dhiaidh sin	I go to school and having reached it spend some time with my friends
2	téim ar scoil agus caithim tamall le mo chairde ina dhiaidh sin	I go to school and afterwards spend some time with my friends

Since it is likely that Esther means (2), Rómán has a point.

Yes indeed the second sentence is what I am meaning to say. "I attend school and afterwards I spend time with friends" So that would mean that chun na scoile is only used for going to a place? Even in Ulster Irish?

"... I am meaning to say."

An ceartBhéarla é seo?

Ná bí dána, a Fhirn. Ní gá gur Béarlóir ó dhúchais í Esther.

Actually I thought about one more thing. Why bother with "ina dhiaidh sin" if the meaning is a trivial "after that, later". Wouldn't "ansan" be more appropriate?

Téim ar scoil agus caithim tamall lem chairde ANSAN.

Cad tánn sibh á cheapadh?

(Message edited by Róman on May 22, 2006)

quote:

"... I am meaning to say."

Thug mé faoi deara le déanaí go bhfuil abairtí mar sin ("I'm thinking that..., I'm wanting...", etc. in áit "I think that.. , I want..."), go bhfuil siad le cloisteáil sna bólaí seo, ó am go ham, ó chainteoirí óga a bhfuil an teanga acu ó dhúchas.

"Ná bí dána, a Fhirn. Ní gá gur Béarlóir ó dhúchais í Esther"


Mar sin, is dánacht é? Mo náire thú, a Aonghuis.

dána [aidiacht den tríú díochlaonadh]
misniúil, muiníneach, neamheaglach; crosta, míbhéasach.

Is ea. Mionbhotúin a cheartú gan cúis. Botún coitianta ag lucht labhartha na Gearmainíse sa Bhéarla atá ann, abair.

Hehe you're right I'm not English, pretty cool though learning two languages at the one forum! ;-)

A Rómán, níl dada cearr le "ansan", ach tá an leagan le "ina dhiadh sin" sách coitianta.

Teanga atá ann. Tá níos mó ná bealach amháin lena rá.

(Message edited by aonghus on May 23, 2006)

ina dhiaidh sin = after that (Béarlachas)

ansan = Gaelainn bhlasta.

Tá an rogha agat.

A Rómain, ní Béarla ar bith "ina dhiaidh sin". Ansan/ansin = then, ina dhiaidh sin/tar a éis sin = after that. Deirtear "ina dhiaidh sin" leis na céadta, agus deirfí é sula dtáinig a’ chéad Bhéarlóir i dtír na hÉireann, dar liom.

quote:

Deirtear "ina dhiaidh sin" leis na céadta

Tá sé le fáil sna "Milan Glosses", ca. 950 AD más buan mo chuimhne.

Mar sin, sula raibh an Sacsbhéarla ann ar chor ar bith!