How do you say music in Irish?

If I want to say, for instance, Irish music, with Irish being the adjective modifying music, the noun, what's the format?

I'm getting better at vocabulary, but the grammer completely escapes me.

Ceol na hÉireann. The music of Ireland. Ireland is in the genitive case, I believe.

Brían

I believe it's "Ceol Éireannach"

Wait for others to confirm.

So would 'traditional Irish music' be: "Ceol traidisiúnta Éireannach"?

"Traditional Irish music" in Ireland is usually called "Irish Traditional Music" :).

Probably best translated by "Ceol Traidisiúnta na hÉireann"

However, in Irish, "Irish Traditional Music" is usually referred to simply as "Ceol Gaelach", literally "Gaelic Music".

Terms are not always translated word for word in ordinary speech.

To my mind "Irish music" is a broader term encompassing genres such as Rock, Pop and Classical music originating in Ireland. Traditional music is very much a minority interest in Ireland.

That makes sense.

But sure wouldn't "Ceol Gaelach" refer to music with Irish lyrics? Or do native speakers refer to all diddly-dizey music as "Ceol Gaelach" and not "Ceol Traidisiúnta (na hÉireann)"?

So would 'autumn music' be ceol na hfómhar?

The actual word meaning 'music' is ceol, am I correct?

You are correct. Music=ceol

Although, 'autumn music' would be fómhar ceoil

'ceol an fhómhair' means 'the music of the autumn'

>>'autumn music' would be fómhar ceoil

???

Sílim go bhfuil an ceart ag Sgm: 'ceol an fhómhair'.

'Fómhair ceoil' sounds wrong to me in every sense.

Is é Sgm a mhol "fómhar ceoil", má léigh mé i gceart é:

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Although, 'autumn music' would be fómhar ceoil

Is dócha go ndéarfaidh sé "oops" nuair a fheicfidh sé arís é! ;-)

Níor scríobh Max ach "???"

fómhar ceoil = autum of music / harvest of music
ceol fómhair = music of autum

(Message edited by dennis on March 16, 2006)

>>Níor scríobh Max ach "???"

I was trying to transcribe my first reaction

Ah, well ... what can I say to that? I was wrong - no other excuse there :-)

Thanks for the subtle hints ;-)

(Message edited by sgm on March 17, 2006)

>>ceol fómhair = music of autumn

>>'ceol an fhómhair' means 'the music of the autumn'

What is the significance of adding the 'i' and switching the 'h' and the 'f'?

I just learned something about aspirating the first consonant of an adjective modifying a feminine noun. Does that have something to do with it, and how can you tell when a noun is feminine vs. masculine?

Oh, and Happy St. Patrick's Day, everyone. :)

in 'ceol an fhómhair', 'fhómhair' is the genitive form of 'fómhar'
Generally ,in Irish the adjective follows the nown ,as in
cearc ban=white hen....an cú dubh=the black hound.
So it depends on whether you are using autumn as an adjective or as a source.

>>cearc ban=white hen....an cú dubh=the black hound.
So it depends on whether you are using autumn as an adjective or as a source.

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Autumn is the adjective.

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I second that.

I think it would be best to go with Dennis's suggestion of ceol fómhair

'fómhair' here is the genetive of the masculine noun fómhar

There is no definite rule how to distinguish masculine from feminine, although there are certain indications (like "-án" is, as far as I know, always the indication for a masuline noun) -- I guess, you just have to learn them...

Please, feel free to correct me...

Bye,

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Autumn is the adjective.

If you want a true adjective in Irish, there is "fómharach", which would be equivalent to English "autumnal", and probably about as infrequently used. That would give you ceol fómharach.