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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2005 (November-December) » Archive through December 23, 2005 » Stress and schwa « Previous Next »

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Max
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Post Number: 271
Registered: 05-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 07:10 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I was wondering:

What happens when words like "an" or "i", which are never stressed and pronounced with a schwa, get stressed?
How are they pronounced then?

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 1179
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 07:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I think the article "an" is never stressed, nor single prepositions like "i". For me (learnt Donegal Irish), "i" isn't pronounced as a schwa but as [ɪ], or sometimes not heard at all (bhí mé 'nGaillimh, tá mé 'mo chónaí, etc)

"An" is stressed when it is an intensive particle (it isn't the same word as the article then): an-mhaith (stressed on both an and mhaith). The a- is pronounced as a schwa. So you can have schwas in stressed syllables, if that is what you wanted to know ;-)

I think there's a paragraph about that at the very end of an Foclóir Póca (An Gúm).

(Message edited by Lughaidh on December 17, 2005)

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Max
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Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 07:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

"an" or "i" would take the stress in a sentence like "take the preposition i".

Are you sure that stressed schwas are pronounced as schwas?

PS: "an-" = ['a:N] in Learning Irish.

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Post Number: 466
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 05:23 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Lughaidh:

schwa = the neutral vowel (for which I use э in this forum)

ash = æ

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2005 - 08:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Are you sure that stressed schwas are pronounced as schwas?

In Ulster Irish at least. Cois Fhairrge Irish has very specific pronounciations for lots of words.

schwa = the neutral vowel (for which I use э in this forum)
ash = æ


I do know what is a schwa...

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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Post Number: 470
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Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:32 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Insa tsean-amnsэ t'∫ænαm
ní raibh siad i n-innimhn'i: ro ∫iэd э NN'ïf'
Sa deireadh anonn i dtrátha an haon o' chlogsэ d'er'u noN э dræh эn hi:n ò xlog
scairt den chineál seo a fhagháil in am antráthachsgartэn x'In'αl ∫ò α:l' э Nαm æNtrα:x
thiar i gCúl Chruachlannahiэr э gu:l xruэxlэNэ
talamh an-mhaithtaluw ænwαi
Cuireadh isteach i mbád annsin iadkïr'u ∫d'æh э mα:d n∫in' iэd
bhí sí le hiomradh i n-aghaidh líontavi: ∫i: l'è homru э Neijэ L'i:N
etc.

— Heinrich Wagner, "Gaeilge Theilinn"

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