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Dancas1
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Username: Dancas1
Post Number: 49
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 02:42 am: | 
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A Chairde:
How are words like Comhbhá, meaning "alliance" - with two aspirated consonants "mhbh" back-to-back -- pronounced?
Which takes precedent the "mh" or the "bh"? Or do they both combine?
I recall reading somewhere sometime that "mhbh" = F or V? But then my recollections are often wrong. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Go raibh maith agaibh
dc
DC
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Cailindoll
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Username: Cailindoll
Post Number: 50
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 03:34 am: |
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On Easy Reader (irishforlife.com)the speaker from Munster pronounces it with v but the speakers from Connacht and Ulster use a w. |
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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 244
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 07:37 am: |
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I speak Gweedore Irish (Northwestern Donegal) and i'd pronounce "comhbhá" like /kõwæ:/ (the o is nasalised because of the mh). |
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Peadar_Ó_gríofa
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Username: Peadar_Ó_gríofa
Post Number: 205
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 02:27 pm: |
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I'd say comhbháidh [kõ:βa:j] according to the phonology of northwest Mayo.
Peadar Ó Gríofa
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Budineire
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Username: Budineire
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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i would pronounce it with a v i.e comhbháidh, ko va |
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Pádraig
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Username: Pádraig
Post Number: 138
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 04, 2005 - 05:43 pm: |
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Hear them down in Soho Square
Dropping H's everywhere ...
That oughta learn ya. If I listen with my ears, not projecting sounds into what I know to be the meaning persons are intending, I discover there are countless ways to pronounce everything, and most of us be it English or Irish go right on talking without missing a beat. yuhnowaddeyemeen? Guhruhmygut. |
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Dancas1
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Username: Dancas1
Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 03:35 am: |
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A chairde:
Go raibh maith agaibh.
In Hell's Kitchen in 1910, Owney Madden (London born, parents Irish speakers from Connaught) and the Comhbhá or Comhbhá bhFir (or Gopher gang) and "Dána" (aka "Tanner") Smith of the Marginals (Maith a dheanamh uile?)formed a Comhbhá mhór that put the caidhp an bháis on the divisive balkanized state of the Irish gangs on Manhattan's west side.
By 1921 the Comhbhá (?) Gang transformed a few local booze and beer bottlers on the west side into a bootlegger (buidéalaí gar, local bottlers') multinational corporation.
Owney and the Comhbhá (bhFir?) Gang supplied NYC and much of the northeast with beer and uisce beatha from 1920 till 1932.
It was a Comhbhá chogaidh of cops, judges, businessmen, and politicians like Tammany Ard Rí Ward éilitheor(heeler)Jimmy Hines that stretched from Hells Kitchen to da woild.
Ahh, but was it Comhbhá or Comhbhá bhfir? Or did a bunch of 1910 Irish kids call themselves English "gophers" in a saol luim that only had Hell's Kitchen's river rats and homing pigeons as wildlife? Dats da question?
Go raibh maith agaibh.
DC
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