t´§ what does a glide resembling § sound like? "tch"?

I am a bit confused. (What else is new?) What would this "glide resembling §..." sound like in English phonetics? Tch? Tj? a linguist friend said it was a palato alveolar fricative. thanks so much. dan cassidy (see below, which i have been studying to understand slender "t" and "d" in Gaeilge.


'I have not noticed any tendency in Donegal for t´ to pass into t´§ as in parts of Connaught, Manx and Scotch Gaelic. The contact for t´ is however broken very gradually and a glide resembling § is heard.' Ni/ thig an cur si/os seo le Gaedhilge Theilinn. Níthear...t´, d´ + sleamhna/n...nó t´§...affricata cheart...i dTeilionn, aig o/g agus aig aosta.>>

--Heinrich Wagner, "Gaeilge Theilinn"

> t´§ what does a glide resembling § sound like? "tch"?<

The affricate t´§ is that represented by "tch" in "watch," or the fairly similar but somewhat differently articulated Irish sound as described by Éamonn Mhac an Fhailigh. The "glide" or fricative component of the affricate is similar (if not quite identical) to the sound of English "sh" or Irish slender "s."

§ is a reasonable facsimile of the phonetic symbol for "sh" as in "fish," which looks kind of like it, but more like an f-hole in a fiddle. Which is not to say the "f" in "f-hole" stands for "fish."

>Tch? Tj?<

Yeah. Quiggin is quoted as saying that he's only heard "tj" in Dún na nGall, but Wagner tells us that "tch" is common in Teileann.

>a palato-alveolar fricative.<

Yup, a voiceless one. The "sh" part, that is. "Tch" is a voiceless palato-alveolar affricate. An affricate consists of a stop plus a fricative. The "t" part is the stop, or occlusive, or plosive, and the "sh" part is the fricative. The alveoli in question are the tooth-sockets in the jaws. I shall now have to google "tooth-sockets" to see whether that's a hapax legomenon or a millions of times legomenon. The "alveolar ridge" or "alveolar process" is, therefore, dem bones inside o' de gums.

>Which is not to say the "f" in "f-hole" stands for "fish."<

But rather that the § of a §ound-hole shtands for "sh."

>Quiggin is quoted as saying that he's only heard "tj" in Dún na nGall<

That is, that in Dún na nGall he'd heard only "tj," not "tch."

>I shall now have to google "tooth-sockets"

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