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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 1999-2004 » 2003 (October-December) » Petition to Help an Irish man, PLEASE ALL READ! « Previous Next »

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Mike/Alex (205.188.209.10 - 205.188.209.10)
Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Hey all!
Take a few minutes from your day and read this, it is sickening and makes me angry. Please sign who ever thinks this isnt right!


http://www.petitiononline.com/iauc2003/petition.html

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James (199.112.55.122 - 199.112.55.122)
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 01:45 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Let's not go down this road again, Please.

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Tá an ceart ag Séamas.

James is correct.

Is le haghaidh saibhriú na Gaeilge a thagaimid anseo. Ní raibh sé de stuaim ná de dhea-bhéas ag lucht an tsíniúcháin seo aon fhocal amháin Gaeilge a roinnt linn. Is lú dá réir a meas féin ar an obair atá idir lámha acu.

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Bradford (216.16.15.66 - 216.16.15.66)
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 09:02 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Mike/Alex,

I know that you had good intentions with this post, but "political" subjects (much like religion), benign as they may sometimes seem, are inherently touchy. We'll all be better off if everyone here sticks to subjects regarding Gaeilge.

- Bradford

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Jessica Ní Chonchúbhair (213.202.160.2 - 213.202.160.2)
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I have accidently opened a pandora's box, havent I?

Gaeilge go deo. Tá fíor brón orm. Níl sin a bhí i gceist agam.

I am so sorry, I didnt mean for this to happen. Up the irish!!

Jessica

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Seosamh Mac Muirí (193.1.100.104 - 193.1.100.104)
Posted on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

Tá tú ceart go leor a Jessica. Fan linn agus bí ag Gaeilgeoireacht anseo. Cabhraigh le ceisteanna daoine eile a fhreagairt, más féidir leat agus beidh gach éinne buíoch díot.

Le meas,

Seosamh

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Malachy (203.26.24.218 - 203.26.24.218)
Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post

Be careful not to confuse politics with justice. The petition regards due process and would be equally relevant without the Irish Republican issues. Sometimes it helps to discuss tough subjects. On the other hand I completely understand this site is devoted to the language but please read the petition and view it on its merits but I suppose I agree about sticking to the langauge in this forum.

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Mike/Alex (205.188.209.10 - 205.188.209.10)
Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

I know how you all feel, I would feel the same way. But I thought this being a place of Irish language would equal culture as well. I thought maybe some who knew about it and wanted to do something might put use the petition. Tá brón orm, a chara. Also that was why I put it in its own seperate discussion so people would look at it if they wanted but could CHOOSE to look on and ignore it and get to their Irish :-)

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Not Sinn Féin (217.155.45.122 - 217.155.45.122)
Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

One of the major reasons the Irish language has been rejected is that the gaeilgeoir is stereotyped as a violent republican, from the days of Pearse onwards.

This has done enormous damage to the language in Ireland.

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Jessica Ní Chonchúbhair (213.202.163.218 - 213.202.163.218)
Posted on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post

That is the main reasons for my bad experiances with politics.

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James (195.202.87.5 - 195.202.87.5)
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post

I asked that we not go down this road but it seems some are determined to do so. Since I probably have more REAL LIFE experience with this stuff than most on this site I'll take your bait.

The fact of the matter is that if you fill a car full of semtex, C-4, fertilizer and diesel, or whatever the explosive de jeur happens to be and you then INTENTIONALLY bomb a civilian target with no MILITARY value, with the INTENT of infliciting harm on NON-COMBATANTS you are a TERRORIST. I don't care if you do it in the name of Zionism, Allah, the Pope, Buddah, the Grand Wizard, Right to Life, Freedom of Choice, Baby Seals, Redwood Trees, The World Trade Organization, Global Warming or the lack of free internet access to the pygmies of the inner Congo.....it doesn't matter....it's terrorism plain and simple.

I would love to see a unified Republic and I fully sympathize with the injustices done to the Catholics in the north. However, I can speak with a certain amount of authority when I say that it is very easy for us to become enamored with the romantic image of the "freedom fighter" when we aren't the one's scraping the blood and the body parts of children and mothers off of OUR streets. Soldiers the world over accept violence as part of their lives and acknowledge that they are legitimate targets by virtue of their occupation. It is unfortunate that civilians do bear the hardships of all wars, declared and otherwise. However, the distinction is made between an act of war and an act of terrorism by the target chosen and the intent behind the attack on that target. When you see first hand a hotel bombing and the ensuing carnage created because some "soldier of the cause" decided to make his "political voice heard" the romance is gone. It's just sickening. Actually, all violence is sickening but we as soldiers accept it as part of our job. Civilians didn't ask to be targeted. They just ask to be free to live their lives as unencumbered as possible.

I don't know this guy and I don't know much about his story. What I do know is that a petition NEVER paints an unbiased picture. In fact, the petition is exactly that; a petition on behalf of someone or something. How can it be objective?

Leave the politics to other sites. Post this on a Sinn Fein site or some other Socialist site. That's not a political jab...Gerry and his boys make no pretense at being anything other than socialists. All you have to do is read their web site and their political position statement. These sites will reach the people who are more likely to respond favorably to your request and will meet with the desired nods and clucking of tongues. All they'll do here is create an atmosphere of hostility and discontent and turn otherwise friendly and genial people against one another.

Le meas,

James

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