Féile Pádraig shona daoibh! (Nó an chuid atá fágtha di)

Ós rud é go bhfuil sé 00:53 anseo cheana, tá súil agam nár chuir mise an scéal seo suas go rómhall.

(Message edited by curiousfinn on March 17, 2010)

Níl sé rómhall choíche. Tá craic mhaith ann go fóill.

Ah! Rinne mé dearmad ar #lnag10 - An bhfuil sé rómhall dá cur suas? B)

Ta sé amháin 4:30(16:30)anseo in Meiriceá (Oregon).
(That was supposed to mean, it's only 4:30 here in Oregon but I don'tthink it turned out right).

Perhaps "Níl sé ach 16:30..." corrections welcome.

Ach tá sé 6:24 ar maidin anseo cheana...
Caithfidh mé a dul a chodladh faoi dheireadh.

Ba bhrea liom Crater Lake, Elizabeth - fado,fado.

Curiousfinn,I am relieved you used 'daoibh'as I advised an English friend not to used 'duit' for a sign she was making.

I saw so many permutations of 'féile/fhéile,sona/shona,Pádraig/Phádraig,duit/dhuit' yesterday my head was spinning.And I wasn't even drinking.

My friend was confused as I told her - last year - to write 'Lá 'le...' but all the other signs had 'féile'in full.She was even more perplexed after going online,there's a lot of poor stuff out there,so míle buíocheas le Daltaí.

This is the pesky problem of having two genitives in a row -- "day of feast of Patrick". In this case lá and féile are together as a unit ("feast-day"), so the form is nominative + lenition/nominative + genitive. So "lá fhéile (or lá'le) Pádraig". duit or dhuit etc. are fine, but duit is the standard form. Certainly we need to distinguished the singular and the plural duit/daoibh!

Macdara, I don't assume you need to known this, but I am putting it out there for those who wondered.

hmm … so is it "Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona dhuit" or Lá Fhéile Pádraig shona dhuit"?

Ah! I think almost everyone uses shona now to modify "lá fhéile" as a unit. Sorry I missed that part. This is essentially one word now in these phrases (feminine) -- lá'le.

Maith agat seanw.Actually I still get confused,especially when folk ring up and ask me stuff!

Lá'le Phádraig shona - seems to be what people say here in North Cork.

Pádraig needs no lenition,does it? I must get 'Teach yourself Irish Grammar', but I'm in good company.Even people who are réasúnta liofa suffer aphasia at the mention of the word 'nominative'.

I learned recently that -in the caighdeán at least- the word following Féile does not get lenited in the genitive so lá fhéile Pádraig in the caighdeán.

I did wonder if that was just in the caighdeán.

In this case the p is not lenited. Any name in the genitive after féile in not lenited. At least this is the case in Ulster and the standard.

Scríobh Macdara:

I am relieved you used 'daoibh'as I advised an English friend not to used 'duit'

NOT separating 2nd person singular and plural was one of the things that struck me as a surprise when I started learning English... well I have blundered with that occasionally.

Then, I ended up with Féile Pádraig and discarded Lá because I was thinking of the whole set of festivities rather than a single day... logically Féile made it feminine, therefore sona would be lenited. A month ago when Valentine's was coming up, I lenited it, and then, way too late, figured out that Lá didn't require that. ;B)

In retrospect, perhaps 6:24 a chloig ar maidin would have been more correct...