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Was I thought the Ulster dialect in school, or just bad pronounciation?
Posted: 22 August 2019 07:14 AM   Ignore ]  
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I was never particularly interested in Irish in school, but I’ve recently become much more interested in it, and I have been trying to teach myself the language.

I am from Louth and from what I have gathered, the dialect of Irish spoken here has historically been the Ulster dialect, so that is what I would preferably like to learn.

One thing that I have notcied is that the Irish I learned in school, in Louth, can sound quite different from how others pronounce it.
For example:
“Dia duit”, to me, has always been pronounced, dee-ah dit, or dee-ah ditch. But others I have spoken to and heard have pronounced it as dee-ah dewit. (Please excuse me for using basic pronounciation aids, I have no understanding of the International Phonetic Alphabet)

Is this a sign of the Ulster Dialect, or is it simply terrible pronunciation that was taught at my school? I remember clearly all teachers speaking like this, as well as the students who were much better at Irish than I.

Would I be better off starting from the ground up and ignoring my previous teachings? Also, as an additional question, how likely even is it, that the dialect of Louth Irish was similar to that of the modern Donegal Ulster Dialect? Perhaps I should just learn the Connacht or Munster dialect.

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Posted: 13 September 2019 04:34 PM   Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I’m far from an expert at the different dialects but I’ve never heard it said that way.  Usually duit is similar to “ditch” or especially common in Connacht is the lenited form dhuit that sounds similar to “ghwitch”.  I have heard Ulster speakers saying what almost borders on “detch”, but never “dewit” (like two syllables).  Lughaidh is a a user here who is more of what I’d call an expert on Ulster, so he would probably know for sure.

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Posted: 14 September 2019 07:05 AM   Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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I am from Louth and from what I have gathered, the dialect of Irish spoken here has historically been the Ulster dialect, so that is what I would preferably like to learn.

true but there are differences between the different areas of Ulster and Louth Irish wasn’t identical to the Irish of Donegal—which is the only place in historical Ulster where Irish is still alive as a traditional language (elsewhere, people are learners).

One thing that I have notcied is that the Irish I learned in school, in Louth, can sound quite different from how others pronounce it.
For example:
“Dia duit”, to me, has always been pronounced, dee-ah dit, or dee-ah ditch. But others I have spoken to and heard have pronounced it as dee-ah dewit. (Please excuse me for using basic pronounciation aids, I have no understanding of the International Phonetic Alphabet)

In Ulster it would be said, roughly, “jee-uh ditch”.
I’m not aware of any dialect that would have “dewit” (if I understand properly what prononciation you mean).

Would I be better off starting from the ground up and ignoring my previous teachings?

yes. School Irish, afaik, is never close to Ulster Irish, except maybe with some teachers in the Gaeltacht…

Also, as an additional question, how likely even is it, that the dialect of Louth Irish was similar to that of the modern Donegal Ulster Dialect? Perhaps I should just learn the Connacht or Munster dialect.

For sure, Louth was closer to Donegal Irish than to Connachta or Munster Irish. But it had peculiarities, I think there are books that describe what was Louth Irish like when it was still spoken…

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