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Mbm
Member Username: Mbm
Post Number: 161 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 09:08 am: | |
A chairde, In abairtí ar nós "dóbair dom titim", cén cineál focail é "dóbair"? Ainmfhocal? Briathar? Dobhriathar? Tá tuairim agam gur leagan calctha é seo d'fhocail éigin a bhíodh sa teanga fadó agus nach bhfuil táirgiúil níos mó. Cad é, an bhfuil a fhios ag éinne? Tá iontráil le haghaidh "dóbair" ag Ó Dónaill ach ní luann sé aon rann cainte. Deir sé "treated as defective verb" ag fo-iontráil #1 agus "used substantively" ag fo-iontráil #2. Sa bhreis air sin, tugann sé sampla amháin a dtuigfí as go mb'fhéidir gur briathar ó bhunús é ("dóbair siad mé a mharú") agus roinnt samplaí eile ina n-úsáidtear mar ainmfhocal é (mar shampla "chuaigh sé go dtí an dóbair"). Is mise, Michal Boleslav Mechura |
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Cionaodh
Member Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 584 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 10:13 am: | |
"defective verb" is ea é. dóbair = it nearly happened . . . http://www.gaeilge.org FRC - Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin |
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Dennis
Member Username: Dennis
Post Number: 2729 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 11:57 am: | |
defective verb = briathar uireasach Scríobh Cecile O'Rahilly alt ar an bhfocal seo in Celtica 13 (1980). Seo an achoimre atá ag DIAS ar líne: D’fhóbair dom tuitim [‘I nearly / almost fell], etc. (discusses is ed mod, is ing, is ar éigin ‘scarcely, hardly’, and is obair ‘it is hard, difficult’. Suggests mod. fhóbair, (fh)obair ‘almost’ represents a confusion of impersonal verb fóbair and use of obair replacing earlier mod). "An seanchas gearr, an seanchas is fearr."
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Mbm
Member Username: Mbm
Post Number: 162 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 12:41 pm: | |
Suimiúil. Ní raibh a fhios agam go raibh litriú eile air, "d'fhóbair". Má scríobhann tú mar seo é, tá sé níos soiléire gur briathar san aimsir chaite agus sa tríú pearsa uatha atá ann. Ceapaim go mbeadh ciall lena leithéid seo anailíse: - Is briathar uireasach é "fóbair", ní úsáidtear ach sa tríú pearsa uatha san aimsir chaite é: d'fhóbair dom titim, is ait gur fhóbair dom titim. - Is dobhriathar é "dóbair" a saolaíodh as an bhriathar "fóbair" agus tá an chiall chéanna leis: dóbair dom titim, is ait gur dóbair dom titim. Is mise, Michal Boleslav Mechura |
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Cionaodh
Member Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 585 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, February 26, 2007 - 05:34 pm: | |
defective verb = briathar uireasach GRMA; ní raibh foclóir agam ag an am. http://www.gaeilge.org FRC - Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin |
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