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The Daltaí Boards » General Discussion (Irish and English) » Archive through June 03, 2011 » Tense and superlative « Previous Next »

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Hugo75
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 02-2011
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 06:05 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

to say "he was the oldest man", would you you say
b'é an fear is sine or
b'é an fear ba sine

thanks!

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Croga75
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Post Number: 232
Registered: 01-2006
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 01:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

could you say,

B'é an fear é gur sine?

Ní bhfaighir faisnéis mara ndeinir fiafraí.

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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh

Post Number: 3932
Registered: 01-2005


Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 03:53 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

quote:

b'é an fear is sine or
b'é an fear ba sine



Both are used, as far as I know.
In Donegal people say:
Ba dh'é an fear is sine / ba sine.
I think "b'é" is more Connemara.

Croga -> No it is wrong. You can't use "gur" there, in my opinion.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Jeaicín
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 01-2011
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 04:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

"He was the oldest man (in the town)"

Ba é an fear ba shine sa bhaile é.
Arbh é?
B'é!

Another way is this
Bhí sé ar an bhfear ba shine ar an mbaile.
An raibh?
Bhí.

This latter translation implies some doubt and would properly represent "among the oldest" or "possibly the oldest".

is sine = oldest with the present tense of An Chopail.
ba shine = oldest with the past tense of An Chopail.

There are dialects that don't lenite after "ba" but the CO does ... When writing it is not obligatory to elide the "a" in "ba". The new CO is likely to make clear the relatively limited role of the CO "for official use" in contrast to the wider and welcome predominance to be accorded the dialects in all literary spheres and in speech.

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Hugo
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 09-2008
Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 12:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

As far as I know there's no difference between 'ba é an fear ba shine...é' and 'bhí sé ar an bhfear/fhear ba shine'. 'Amongst the oldest men' = 'bhí sé ar na fir ba shine'.



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