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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2011 (March-April) » Archive through April 19, 2011 » Galltacht communities with native speakers « Previous Next »

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Seanoconaill
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2011
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 03:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Which Galltacht communities still have "old stock" native Irish speakers? or have had native speakers until the recent past?

For example, does Baile Mhac Óda still have native speakers?

as per

http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/13510/53079.html?1295726823

grma

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Danny2007
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 03:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Perhaps west Clare? Loop Head peninsula.

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Darran
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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 07:01 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

I have heard of people who grew up in Limerick, still alive and were fluent speakers in their youth. However I've only heard this, I can't verify it.

(Message edited by Darran on April 14, 2011)

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Seanoconaill
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Post Number: 8
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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 10:24 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

grma

more info on Irish in west Clare and Ceann Léime:

http://www.politics.ie/northern-ireland/38752-protestants-irish-language-15.html

...agus Luimneach:

Breandán Ó Madagáin, 'An Ghaeilge i Luimneach, 1700–1900', BÁC, An Clóchomhar, 1974.

Breandán Ó Madagáin, "The Irish Tradition in Limerick", in Liam Irwin, Gearóid Ó Tuathaigh agus Matthew Potter (eag.), 'Limerick: History and Society. Interdisciplinary Essays on the History of an Irish County', BÁC, Geography Publications, 2009.

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Seanoconaill
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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 10:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Also: between 1928 and 1931, Wilhelm Doegen recorded traditional native speakers from counties Antrim, Armagh, Derry, Tyrone, Cavan, Louth, Leitrim, Sligo, Rosscommon, Clare, Tipperary, and Limerick.

Is it not possible that some speakers, from these communities, are still alive today?

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Darran
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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 11:06 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

I personally know a native speaker from Tipperary.

After following up from the last thread when Carmanach told me Tipperary Irish would be very similar to Déise Irish, I have since confirmed that this is the case. Use of some vocative forms and some datives, pronounciation as suggested by books on Déise Irish (e.g. very nasal vowels), use of relative form of verb, e.t.c.

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Seanoconaill
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Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2011 - 11:13 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Cool; from where in Tipperary?



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