In previous threads, you talked about forms that could be different depending on the dialect which is used. So now i'd like to know wich ones are more common in connemara gaelic.

-ar thug or a dtug?
by the way, ar dheachaigh or a ndeachaigh and a dtáinig or ar dháinig?

-which form of the personnal prepositions are used?
in particular with do, but if there are others ones that may change tell me which ones;)

-in simple present relative clauses, when do you add a "s" (olanns) ? and when do you lenite the verb ? when the antecedant is subject or direct object, or only when the antecedant is subject?

-on wikipedia, I read that :
In some dialects of Connacht the plural endings -anna and -acha are always replaced by -annaí and -achaí. It is also common in many Gaelic-speaking areas of Connemara that the dative singular form of all 2nd declension nouns has been generally adopted as the nominative, giving these nouns the typical ending in palatalized consonants in the nominative singular. This is indicated in the spelling by the letter i before the final consonant.

is it common enough to considerate it's a general rule?

I'm going to answer according to my books (Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge, An Teanga Bheo and Modern Irish, all written by native speakers from Connemara).

quote:

-ar thug or a dtug?
by the way, ar dheachaigh or a ndeachaigh and a dtáinig or ar dháinig?

ar thug
ar thainig
an ndeacha(igh)

(but there may be other possibilities because all Connemara dialects aren't identical)

quote:

-which form of the personnal prepositions are used?
in particular with do, but if there are others ones that may change tell me which ones;)

which forms are used? all. What do you mean?

quote:

-in simple present relative clauses, when do you add a "s" (olanns) ?

in the direct relative, positive, present and future.

quote:

and when do you lenite the verb ? when the antecedant is subject or direct object, or only when the antecedant is subject?

the direct relative? well, the direct relative is lenited when possible. The direct relative is used after the subject or the object.

quote:

-on wikipedia, I read that :
In some dialects of Connacht the plural endings -anna and -acha are always replaced by -annaí and -achaí.

isn't it true in whole Connemara?

quote:

It is also common in many Gaelic-speaking areas of Connemara that the dative singular form of all 2nd declension nouns has been generally adopted as the nominative, giving these nouns the typical ending in palatalized consonants in the nominative singular. This is indicated in the spelling by the letter i before the final consonant.

is it common enough to considerate it's a general rule?

Looks like it's right in Cois Fhairrge at least (according to Learning Irish, that teaches fuinneoig, broig, etc).

"quote:-which form of the personnal prepositions are used?
in particular with do, but if there are others ones that may change tell me which ones;)


which forms are used? all. What do you mean"


Thank you for all those answers


I mean that, for example, do+sí may become di, dithe or daoithe , but I don't know what is used where.

In nurgleais, i've read that prepositional prounouns derived from "do" were often lenited after vowels and slender consonants, but I don't know if this rule is applied in connemara.
I have also read that there were short forms.
when do they occur, after vowels? And in a text would they be writen?

I should get those books I think!
I'll surely visit the gaelic bookshop on harcourt street as early as possible;)

(Message edited by hugo75 on April 13, 2011)

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In nurgleais, i've read that prepositional prounouns derived from "do" were often lenited after vowels and slender consonants, but I don't know if this rule is applied in connemara.

it is, actually I think Connemara people lenite domh, duit etc most of the time.

Here are the forms of Cois Fhairrge :

AG

'am, agam
'ad, agad
aige
aice
'ainn, againn
agaí
acab


AR

orm
ort
air
ortha
orainn
oraí
orthab


AS

asam
asad
as
aiste
asainn
asaí
astab


(CH)UIG, CHUN, GO

'am, agam
'ad, agad
aige
aice
'ainn, againn
agaí
acab


GO (= de)

d(h)íom, d(h)aom
d(h)íot, d(h)aot
d(h)e, dhó
d(h)i, d(h)aoi
d(h)ínn, d(h)aoinn
d(h)íb, d(h)aoib
d(h)íob, d(h)ó(i)b


GO (= do)

d(h)om
d(h)uit
d(h)o, d(h)ó
d(h)i, d(h)aoi
d(h)úinn, d(h)aoinn
d(h)aoib
d(h)ó(i)b


FAOI

fúm
fút
faoi
fúithe /fu:/
fúinn
fúib
fúb


THRÍ

thríom
thríot
thríd
thríthi
thrínn
thríb
thríob


I, IN

ion(t)am, íontam
ion(t)ad, íontad
ann
inte, ínte
ion(t)ainn, íontainn
ion(t)aí, íontaí
ion(t)ab, íontab


I nDIAIDH

i mo dhiaidh
i do dhiaidh
ina dhiaidh
ina diaidh
ina ndiaidh
ina ndiaidh
ina ndiaidh


EIDIR

-
-
-
-
eatrainn
eatraí
eatrab


LE

liom
leat
leis
léi
linn
lib
leob


Ó

uaim
uait
uaidh
uaithi
uainn
uaib
uathab

(pronounced:
wem'
wet'
wai
wo:
weN'
web'
wo:b)


AS CÍONN

as mo chíonn
as do chíonn
as a chíonn
as a cíonn
as a gcíonn
as a gcíonn
as a gcíonn


ROIMH

romham
romhat
roimhe
roímpe
romhainn
romhaib
romhab, rompab

(romha- is pronounced /ru:-/)


THAR, THAIR

tharam
thar(t)ad
thairis
thairte
tharainn
tharaí, tharaib
thar(t)ab

thank you!
now I am studying modal constructions;)

Mholfainn "Modern Irish" ag Micheal O Siadhail, mineann sé na rudai sine uilig ann, leis na hathraiocha de réir na gcanuinteach. Ta sé iontach suimiuil.