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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2011 (March-April) » Archive through March 21, 2011 » How to form 'ag' verb « Previous Next »

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Caireann
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:49 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

How do i form an 'ag' verb? For example imigh changes to ag imeacht but ag rith stays the same. Is there any rule i can follow?

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3877
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 09:39 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

No, unfortunately, there's no rule. Most regular verbs have a verbal noun (that's the name of the form you use after "ag") that ends in -(e)adh or -(i)ú, but there are so many exceptions that you have to learn the verbal noun everytime...

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Hugo75
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 01:39 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

the second conjugation seems much more regular.

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3880
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 04:41 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Not so much:

Cruinnigh -> cruinniú
Foscail -> foscailt or foscladh
Imir -> imirt
Inis -> insint or inse
éirigh -> éirí
smaoinigh -> smaoineamh
foghlaim -> foghlaim
ceannaigh -> ceannach or ceannacht
aithin -> aithint or aithneachtáil

and so on... Definitely need to learn them everytime. But you see the verbal nouns of the most common verbs all the time, and anyway they are indicated in dictionaries...

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Caireann
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:51 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ok I Guess i'll just have to learn as I go. Could you also help me with ''Bíonn' - when do i use it?

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Eru
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 04:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

you use bíonn instead of tá when you're talking about something that happens regularly or represents the usual way something is. it is what they call the habitual form.

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Caireann
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 08:02 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

You mean if i was saying something that used to happen or always happened?

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Seánw
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 10:05 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

present habitual = regularly, generally, often, sometimes, seldom, never

simple present = non-habitual, one off, now

When using the progressive form (ag + VN):

present habitual = normally the whole duration of the event

simple present = one off or now

Verbs of thoughts, feelings, and the five senses are generally understood as simple present, but can be understood both ways. You would use adverbs in this case to clarify what you meant in many cases (go minic, etc.).

Now since all verbs except bí do not have a unique form, if you wish to say something is habitual, use the regular habitual form (which is the regular present in Irish). If you wish to wish to express the simple present, use the progressive form, ag + VN.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Caireann
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ah yes i understand now, thank you. How is there so many american irish speakers on theis? :D

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Hugo75
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 03:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

I have read that one could use the habitual form of bi + ag + VN for a repeated set of durations.

(Message edited by hugo75 on March 20, 2011)

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 06:38 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Yes you can : bím ag obair achan lá eadar a 8 agus a 12. (I am usually working everyday between 8 and 12).

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Hugo75
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 01:21 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

what's the difference between "gach" and "achan"?

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Cead_ite
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 02:49 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

They say "achan" in Donegal; its counterpart in Connacht is "'chaon," a contraction of "gach aon."

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3886
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 03:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Yeah, "achan" is a shortened form of "gach aon" ; Donegal people don't use much "gach", they use "achan" instead, most of the time (but sometimes "gach" anyway, and you'd hear "gach" in songs etc).

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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