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Caireann
Member Username: Caireann
Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2011
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 07:49 am: | |
How do i form an 'ag' verb? For example imigh changes to ag imeacht but ag rith stays the same. Is there any rule i can follow? |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3877 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 09:39 am: | |
No, unfortunately, there's no rule. Most regular verbs have a verbal noun (that's the name of the form you use after "ag") that ends in -(e)adh or -(i)ú, but there are so many exceptions that you have to learn the verbal noun everytime... Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/ |
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Hugo75
Member Username: Hugo75
Post Number: 13 Registered: 02-2011
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 01:39 pm: | |
the second conjugation seems much more regular. |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3880 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 04:41 pm: | |
Not so much: Cruinnigh -> cruinniú Foscail -> foscailt or foscladh Imir -> imirt Inis -> insint or inse éirigh -> éirí smaoinigh -> smaoineamh foghlaim -> foghlaim ceannaigh -> ceannach or ceannacht aithin -> aithint or aithneachtáil and so on... Definitely need to learn them everytime. But you see the verbal nouns of the most common verbs all the time, and anyway they are indicated in dictionaries... Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/ |
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Caireann
Member Username: Caireann
Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2011
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 08:51 pm: | |
Ok I Guess i'll just have to learn as I go. Could you also help me with ''Bíonn' - when do i use it? |
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Eru
Member Username: Eru
Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2011
| Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 04:58 am: | |
you use bíonn instead of tá when you're talking about something that happens regularly or represents the usual way something is. it is what they call the habitual form. |
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Caireann
Member Username: Caireann
Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2011
| Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 08:02 am: | |
You mean if i was saying something that used to happen or always happened? |
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Seánw
Member Username: Seánw
Post Number: 1087 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 10:05 am: | |
present habitual = regularly, generally, often, sometimes, seldom, never simple present = non-habitual, one off, now When using the progressive form (ag + VN): present habitual = normally the whole duration of the event simple present = one off or now Verbs of thoughts, feelings, and the five senses are generally understood as simple present, but can be understood both ways. You would use adverbs in this case to clarify what you meant in many cases (go minic, etc.). Now since all verbs except bí do not have a unique form, if you wish to say something is habitual, use the regular habitual form (which is the regular present in Irish). If you wish to wish to express the simple present, use the progressive form, ag + VN. I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin. |
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Caireann
Member Username: Caireann
Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2011
| Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 11:57 am: | |
Ah yes i understand now, thank you. How is there so many american irish speakers on theis? :D |
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Hugo75
Member Username: Hugo75
Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2011
| Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 03:22 pm: | |
I have read that one could use the habitual form of bi + ag + VN for a repeated set of durations. (Message edited by hugo75 on March 20, 2011) |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3885 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 06:38 am: | |
Yes you can : bím ag obair achan lá eadar a 8 agus a 12. (I am usually working everyday between 8 and 12). Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/ |
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Hugo75
Member Username: Hugo75
Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2011
| Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 01:21 pm: | |
what's the difference between "gach" and "achan"? |
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Cead_ite
Member Username: Cead_ite
Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2011
| Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 02:49 pm: | |
They say "achan" in Donegal; its counterpart in Connacht is "'chaon," a contraction of "gach aon." |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3886 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 03:08 pm: | |
Yeah, "achan" is a shortened form of "gach aon" ; Donegal people don't use much "gach", they use "achan" instead, most of the time (but sometimes "gach" anyway, and you'd hear "gach" in songs etc). Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/ |
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