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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 206 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 11:54 am: | |
I got a few texts as Gaeilge from my brother,who has hardly any Irish.Then he told me his new I Phone has a translation app.Some of the texts were alright but one was a bit of a mess: 'Ag freastal ar againn riail' I recognise this as the motto of the O Ruairc family - By serving we rule.I think! But this formula looks a bit clumsy.Is there a more succinct phrase that could be used.And doesnt 'ag freastal' tend to mean 'attending'- as in school - more? With these caveats,it still seems handier than reaching for de Bhaildraithe every ten minutes. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 11458 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 12:29 pm: | |
That is where machine translation gets tricky. Slogans bend the rules of language. "Serviendo Guberno" After consulting de Bhaldraithe: I bhfónamh a rialaímid perhaps |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 207 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 01:37 pm: | |
Slogans and poetry,song lyrics too maybe.This motto was the invention of the English,I believe,like many others.Its message was the O Ruaircs ruled Breifne as long as they served the English Crown.Could one also say: 'I bhfreastal rialaimid' Doesn't look right somehow.Now I'm like one of the young lads who wants a tattoo,like 'you rock my world' as Gaeilge!I must admit i'm still fairly impressed with the application.My bro's phone is cleverer thanmy old pc, nach mór an trua. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 11461 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 02:31 pm: | |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law I'm not sure how to put it in elegant Irish. It is too vague in Latin; vagueness seldom works in Irish. |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 208 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 05:29 am: | |
Yes.I'm afraid the anwer to 'how would you say...?' is often ; well,you wouldn't! For this reason I think the IPhone app and other machine translators are not good for absolute beginners,a trap for the unwary sometimes.If i get anymore minced up mottos from the brother I will come back to daltai.com.Maith agat a Aonghuis. |
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Jeaicín
Member Username: Jeaicín
Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2011
| Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 06:31 pm: | |
"By serving we rule" is similar to "lead by example" -- both deserve a bit of thought to express them in Irish. |
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Seánw
Member Username: Seánw
Post Number: 1067 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 09:18 pm: | |
Serviendo Guberno = By serving I rule The BY part is the means or manner by which they govern or rule. I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin. |
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Macfear
Member Username: Macfear
Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 08:15 am: | |
I use the Google Translate app all the time in learning Irish, not for definite phrases, but if I see a word or phrase in Irish I dont know I bang it in and Ill get the jist. As long as people don't use it as a translation tool, and more a guiding tool, its great. |
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Driftwood814
Member Username: Driftwood814
Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 10:07 am: | |
I, too, use Google Translate, but in a backward manner. When I am away from my books, and trying to form a sentence in Irish, I will plug it into Google. If the English translation is intelligible (or, God forbid, grammatically correct!), then I am fairly sure I've gotten the Irish wrong.... Tá fáilte roim nach aon cheartú! |
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Paploo
Member Username: Paploo
Post Number: 119 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 02:59 pm: | |
I've found the "GetTheFocal" app pretty useful for my iPod Touch. Since I have an iPod Touch I don't always have access to the internet. GetTheFocal doesn't require that so I can still look words up. |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 209 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 06:10 am: | |
Does the app come with the Ipod Touch,or did you buy it as an extra?I wonder could I still get Daltai on a smartphone mar shampla.The brother says if the phone was twice as big he wouldn't bother with his pc anymore.Ar an taobh eile I don't want to lose sites like daltai and litriocht...... |
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Macfear
Member Username: Macfear
Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 08:58 am: | |
Ive got the Collins Pocket Irish Dictionary app for my iphone that you can use offline, you have to buy it first though, it was about €7 I think, it was worth it at the time, its dead handy and obviously correct, but with google plus the free online dictionaries I could get by with them. But the app is more convenient. I have GetTheFocal too and id say it does the same job, though for whatever reason ive taken it off because I dont need two. GetTheFocal has a free limited version and a full version which is about €3 I think. You can use Daltai on the iphone/ ipod touch, id say its a wee bit small though and can be fiddly logging in etc but cén docha One app I can't recommended enough to learners is BYKI Irish, its like the PC program and is a flash card system with lists, eng>gae, gae>eng, tests etc there are over 90 free lists to download in the app and is great when you want to spend 5 mins every now and then learning, it genuinely sticks in your head too. (Message edited by macfear on March 11, 2011) (Message edited by macfear on March 11, 2011) |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 210 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 06:50 am: | |
Míle buíochas,Macfear.Will check out those apps if I ever get round to this new phone.We're not talking about a lot of money really for what you get.One last thought;are all I phones much of a muchness as far as putting these apps on them? |
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Macfear
Member Username: Macfear
Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 02:28 pm: | |
Its really easy, you buy them through the itunes store which is on the phone/ touch already and they download to your phone and your good to go. Or you can buy apps on your computer and then sync it with your phone. To buy things you do need to set up an iTunes account through your computer which takes your credit card details but once youve done that you never need to put your card details in again you just select what you want to buy on your phone. I couldn't ever change my iphone now, its works so well and its really user friendly, best phone i've ever had I can't recommend it highly enough |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 211 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 02:53 pm: | |
Maith agat arís Macfear! |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 212 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 06:36 am: | |
Sorry to harp on -but can one get BYKI and Irish translator on Blackberrys too,or other Android phones? I have no preference brother has Apple,sister Blackberry and both seem happy.BYKI has a good reputation for most languages,Macfear,but your's is the only review I found for Gaeilge.Good enough for me I hasten to add. |
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Macfear
Member Username: Macfear
Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Monday, March 14, 2011 - 10:11 am: | |
Yeah GetTheFocal, BYKI & the Collins Dictionary are all available on Android. I'm not sure about anything Blackberry though. I don't think some apps are available in some countries though, the above are available in US, Ireland and i'd think most European online stores |
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