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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2011 (January-February) » Archive through January 22, 2011 » Reading pre-modernized spelling « Previous Next »

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Croga75
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Post Number: 146
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 11:44 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Is there a way to learn how to read pre-modernized spelling. Or do you have to just look the words up in Dinneens?

Má tá Gaeilge agat, ansan abair é!

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

And practice.

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Croga75
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Post Number: 147
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 11:55 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Thanks Aonghus. To me, it would be alot easier to learn how to read the old way, that to wait for someone to modernize the books I want to read.

And speaking of Dinneen's I see theresd 2 different ones

"Gaeilge agus Béarla"

and

"An Irish-English Dictionary: Being a Thesaurus of Words, Phrases and Idioms of the Modern Irish Language, with Explanations in English" by Patrick Stephen Dinneen

whats the difference? and if there is a difference, which is better to get.

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Corkirish
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Well, it can be hard to look some of them up, as some writers use spellings not found in Dinneen's dictionary either. So you can be dealing with 3 or 4 spellings and not just 2.

But just go according to the pronunciation. If you see deabhramh - you will have difficulty finding that in the dictionary, but the -abh- indicates a diphthong, and then you just have to look at all words starting with dea- in the dictionary.

But a few changes do account for the majority of the differences, eg -ughadh is -ú. -uighthe is -aithe.

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Corkirish
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 11:58 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Dinneen's Foclóir Gaedhilge agus Béarla is the one to get - it is much larger than the 1907 edition.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=4368

This is the 1927 Edition.

You could possibly use the Caighdeán Oifigiúil book to reverse engineer old spelling, I think it has a list of changes made.

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Corkirish
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:02 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Ó Dónaill's dictionary: i gcónaí
Dinneen's dictionary: i gcómhnaidhe

Also found:

i gcómhnuidhe
i gcómhnaighe
i gcómhnuighe
i gcómhnuídhe
i gcómhnuíghe
a gcómhaidhe
a gcómhnuidhe
a gcómhnaighe
a gcómhnuighe
a gcómhnuídhe
a gcómhnuíghe
i gcomhnuidhe
i gcomhnaighe
i gcomhnuighe
i gcomhnuídhe
i gcomhnuíghe
a gcomhaidhe
a gcomhnuidhe
a gcomhnaighe
a gcomhnuighe
a gcomhnuídhe
a gcomhnuíghe
i gcomhnaí

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Croga75
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Post Number: 148
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:24 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Thanks David,

The one at litríocht has "Gaeilge" not "gaedhilge" and says its 1927 edition.

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Corkirish
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:27 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Well, if it says it is the 1927 edition you should be fine.

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Croga75
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

awesome, thanks guys

Aonghus, is the name of the book an Caighdeán Oifigúil? Im having a hard time locating it for sale

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Croga75
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 12:34 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

thats ALOT of different ways to spell i gcónaí

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 02:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

There was a version in PDF for download somewhere. I'll dig it out later.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 02:49 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post


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Croga75
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 02:54 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

thanks for that Aonghus.

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Seánw
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 03:37 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Please note Aonghus' link doesn't have the section he is (I think) referring to. I believe that file isn't online anymore. The other one has the second section with the major spelling reforms. For instance, uidhe > aí, etc. I can email it to anyone who wants it, though.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Croga75
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 03:47 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

I would like that Seánw

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Aonghus
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 03:59 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

That's what I get for just doing a cursory search.

Mo leithscéal!

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Seánw
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 05:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Croga75, I'll have it out at least by 7 am your time tomorrow. Maybe tonight if we're lucky.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Croga75
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Post Number: 153
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 08:13 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Go raibh maith agat a SheáinW

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Driftwood814
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 11:49 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

A SheáinW,

I would also like to have it if it would not be any trouble.



GRMMA

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Seánw
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 05:35 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Coming soon!

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Driftwood814
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 10:11 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Fuair mé é, go raibh maith agut arís, a SheáinW!

Tá fáilte roim nach aon cheartú!



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