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Corkirish
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Username: Corkirish

Post Number: 321
Registered: 10-2010
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 09:16 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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do thaisbeáin sé, ’n-a ghníomharthaibh agus ’n-a bhéasaibh agus ins gach aon tsaghas deighleála idir é féin agus daoine eile, go raibh beann thar bár aige ar an gceart, ná déanfadh sé éagcóir ar aon Chríostaidhe, pé ’cu caraid nó namhaid é, pé ’cu íseal nó uasal é.




where it says: ar aon Chríostaí, pé acu caraid nó namhaid é - I was surprised to see "caraid" and not "cara", as "caraid" is dative only - unless Connemaran usage of caraid as the nominative is being seen here?

Críostaí is dative in this sentence. Is it possible that the dative is being carried forward onto caraid too?

Pé acu - as far as I understood was followed by a relative clause. [eg. pé acu a ghlacfad nó ná glacfad] So in pé acu caraid there must be a deleted relative copula: pé acu [is] caraid nó namhaid é - which makes the dative totally incongruous?

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Carmanach
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Post Number: 752
Registered: 04-2009
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 09:59 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

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where it says: ar aon Chríostaí, pé acu caraid nó namhaid é - I was surprised to see "caraid" and not "cara", as "caraid" is dative only - unless Connemaran usage of caraid as the nominative is being seen here?



Ó Dónaill gives caraid as a variant nominative form. What has Conamara got to do with West Muskerry?

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Críostaí is dative in this sentence. Is it possible that the dative is being carried forward onto caraid too?



No.

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Pé acu - as far as I understood was followed by a relative clause. [eg. pé acu a ghlacfad nó ná glacfad] So in pé acu caraid there must be a deleted relative copula: pé acu [is] caraid nó namhaid é - which makes the dative totally incongruous?



Yes, that is how I would understand it, that there is a hidden copula there.

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Corkirish
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Post Number: 322
Registered: 10-2010
Posted on Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 10:09 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Connemara has nothing to do with Muskerry of course - what I meant was the PUL might have been influenced by the Irish he read. OK, it seems just a random dative for a nominative.



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