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Scooby
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 07-2009
Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 07:26 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

A chairde,
I was on the Department of Foreign Affairs website recently trying to get some reliable information about the Irish National Anthem, having had a glance at Wikipedia some time before.

The DFA site says: The National Anthem, called The Soldier's Song was written in 1907 by Peadar Kearney, an uncle of Brendan Behan. It was first published in the newspaper, Irish Freedom in 1912, but was not widely known until it was sung at the GPO during the Easter Rising of 1916. The chorus was formally adopted as the National Anthem in 1926.

So the chorus of the English version is our National Anthem...or is it? I think I remember from Wikipedia that no official translation into Irish exists (i.e not enshrined in law)- some people choose to sing 'Laochra Fáil' instead of 'Fianna Fáil', for example. The DFA website does give a translation, however.

I sent them an email with a simple question - what is the (legal/official) status of the leagan Gaeilge they have on their site. My query was acknowledged automatically, then by an officially who gave a standard reply saying that my query would be dealt with. That was about a month ago and I've heard nothing since.

Yes, I will get back on to them, but I'd be interested to know if anyone here can enlighten me or if anyone else is as curious as me!

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Seánw
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Post Number: 689
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 10:43 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit PostPrint Post

Here is what I can come up with, though I am not really sure.

Music - Yes
English Text - Yes
Irish Text - Yes (de facto), but No (de jure)

Certainly everyone is treating the music and texts as de jure national anthems.

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Dáil Éireann - Volume 609 - 08 November, 2005
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0609/D.0609.200511080178.html

Written Answers. - National Anthem.

323. Mr. F. McGrath asked the Minister for Finance when the national anthem composed by Peadar Kearney in 1907 will be reclaimed and the correct words (details supplied) will be inserted at all public and State occasions. [32906/05]

Mr. Cowen: My Department holds the copyright in the national anthem. The principal reasons for holding the copyright are to ensure that it is freely available, to prescribe that performance fees are not to be charged or collected in respect of the use of the national anthem, and to ensure that it is not used in an inappropriate context and without due deference, such as to render it an object of scorn or derision. I am satisfied that the current version of the national anthem is the appropriate and correct interpretation of the words as composed by Peadar Kearney.

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http://debates.oireachtas.ie/Xml/29/SEN20060307.PDF
7 March 2006

Labhrás Ó Murchú : It was recently announced in the media that the original copy of Amhrán na bhFiann, our national anthem, is for sale. It is feared that it might end up in a private collection outside the country. This document is an important part of our heritage and history. In the past, we have purchased such items to ensure they remain in this country, for example, the Joyce manuscripts. It is important that the State consider purchasing this document. However, perhaps we could recommend that a wealthy benefactor who has benefited from Ireland as a tax haven might consider purchasing it and presenting it to the nation.

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Dáil Éireann - Volume 200 - 13 March, 1963
http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0200/D.0200.196303130004.html
Ceisteanna—Questions. Oral Answers. - National Anthem Copyright.

5. Mr. T. Lynch asked the Minister for Finance if the copyright of the [1117] words and music of the National Anthem, A Soldier's Song, is the property of the State.

Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister for Finance (Mr. O'Malley): The reply to the Deputy's question is in the affirmative.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10137
Registered: 08-2004


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