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Tuigim
Member Username: Tuigim
Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2010
| Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 08:25 pm: |
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The following is taken from http://www.astro.uwo.ca/~wiegert/3753/3753.html "What does "Cruithne" mean? The Dalriada Celtic Heritage Trust inform us the Cruithne were "the first Celtic racio-tribal group to come to the British Isles, appearing between about 800 and 500 B.C., and coming from the European continent. They were also known as the Picts. BKW informs me that Cruithne was also the name of a legendary king of the Picts. As for the pronunciation.... The word is pronounced "krooy-nyuh" which can also be written as "KROOee-nyuh" and in many other ways. My point is that the stress is on the first syllable, which contains both the OO and the ee sounds. The word has only two syllables, "cruith" and "ne". The stress is not on the "ee" sound. The OOee or ooy (ui) diphthong is very common in the Celtic languages. Moran taing (many thanks) to DKC for the above guide to the pronunciation! Note: It was the privilege of the discoverers of the asteroid, D. Waldron et al., to name their prize, a process which is regulated by the International Astronomical Union." Bhfuil sé ceart maidir leis an bhfoghraíocht? An bhfuil baint aige le cruinne (universe)? Céard a cheapann sibh? |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3498 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 08:30 pm: |
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Cruithne is pronounced "KRIH-nyeh" in Modern Irish (roughly). In Old Irish it was something like KRUTH-neh (roughly). What they give there "KROOee-nyuh" is rather a Scottish Gaelic pronunciation. Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Dmd
Member Username: Dmd
Post Number: 92 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 04:41 am: |
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They still using clapped-out colonial terminology such as 'The British Isles'? I have heard such from university lecturers who think they are in the colonies and that our universities still bear the title 'Queens etc.' Thank god we're surrounded by water, as the song goes. i bhfad uainn an t-olc. DMD |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 440 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 05:06 pm: |
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Ah, nice link tuigim. |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3501 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 06:59 pm: |
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Normally the British Isles are (should be) Great-Britain and its islands : the Hebrides, Anglesey etc. Maybe the isle of Man as well. Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Hugo
Member Username: Hugo
Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 07:17 pm: |
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Don't forget John Bull's other island, and Les Iles Anglo-Normandes... |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3502 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 08:00 pm: |
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les Iles Anglo-Normandes are in the UK but are they "British Isles" ? They are quite far away from Britain... Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 10024 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:14 pm: |
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Are they in the UK? I understood that the monarch of England is Seigneur of those islands, but that they are not part of the Kingdom. (Nor is the Isle of Man, where the English Monarch is Lord of Man) Monarchy is complicated! |
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Seánw
Member Username: Seánw
Post Number: 645 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:40 pm: |
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They are "dependencies". My opinion, though, is that if the Queen's on your money, she's your Queen. She just decides to butt in a little less than in England. For instance: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/04/Queens-rep-suspends-Canadian-Parliament/U PI-44831228392970/ I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 157 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 02:04 pm: |
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I always assumed the Cruitin /Cruithne, so beloved of Ulster separatists to be our old pals the Pretani aka Britons.The old P-K language split ,no? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 10025 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:05 pm: |
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Certainly, but the United Kingdom refers to a particular State, of which Man and the Channel Islands do not form part. Ms. Saxe Coburg alias Windsor is head of a bewildering array of states, but not Queen of all of them! United Kingdom is a political description British Isles can be either a political or a geographic one. |
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Seánw
Member Username: Seánw
Post Number: 647 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:44 pm: |
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As you said, Aonghus, it's complicated! I like having a clear idea of who's responsible. I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 10026 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:50 pm: |
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Responsible? A Monarch of England? Not since Charles I was made responsible... |
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Macdara
Member Username: Macdara
Post Number: 158 Registered: 09-2008
| Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 06:19 pm: |
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James 1 surely? As in the union of the crowns.Then 1707,the abolition of the Scottish Parliament.1803,abolition of the Irish Parliament and first use of the Union Flag - in its current style. Sorry,all a bit off topic! not sure where these Dalriada heads are coming from though.Ireland has been lived in for at least 8000 years,and Britain far longer.But who cares? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 10034 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:45 am: |
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Chaill Cathal I an cloigeann. |
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