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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2010 (July-August) » Archive through July 14, 2010 » Cruithne - Second Moon? « Previous Next »

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Tuigim
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Post Number: 16
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Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 08:25 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The following is taken from http://www.astro.uwo.ca/~wiegert/3753/3753.html

"What does "Cruithne" mean?
The Dalriada Celtic Heritage Trust inform us the Cruithne were "the first Celtic racio-tribal group to come to the British Isles, appearing between about 800 and 500 B.C., and coming from the European continent. They were also known as the Picts. BKW informs me that Cruithne was also the name of a legendary king of the Picts.
As for the pronunciation....
The word is pronounced "krooy-nyuh" which can also be written as "KROOee-nyuh" and in many other ways. My point is that the stress is on the first syllable, which contains both the OO and the ee sounds. The word has only two syllables, "cruith" and "ne". The stress is not on the "ee" sound. The OOee or ooy (ui) diphthong is very common in the Celtic languages.
Moran taing (many thanks) to DKC for the above guide to the pronunciation!
Note: It was the privilege of the discoverers of the asteroid, D. Waldron et al., to name their prize, a process which is regulated by the International Astronomical Union."

Bhfuil sé ceart maidir leis an bhfoghraíocht?
An bhfuil baint aige le cruinne (universe)?
Céard a cheapann sibh?

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3498
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Posted on Saturday, July 10, 2010 - 08:30 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Cruithne is pronounced "KRIH-nyeh" in Modern Irish (roughly).

In Old Irish it was something like KRUTH-neh (roughly).

What they give there "KROOee-nyuh" is rather a Scottish Gaelic pronunciation.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Dmd
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 09-2009
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 04:41 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

They still using clapped-out colonial terminology such as 'The British Isles'? I have heard such from university lecturers who think they are in the colonies and that our universities still bear the title 'Queens etc.' Thank god we're surrounded by water, as the song goes. i bhfad uainn an t-olc.
DMD

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Sineadw
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Post Number: 440
Registered: 06-2009
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 05:06 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ah, nice link tuigim.

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3501
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Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 06:59 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Normally the British Isles are (should be) Great-Britain and its islands : the Hebrides, Anglesey etc. Maybe the isle of Man as well.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Hugo
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 09-2008
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 07:17 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Don't forget John Bull's other island, and Les Iles Anglo-Normandes...

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3502
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Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 08:00 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

les Iles Anglo-Normandes are in the UK but are they "British Isles" ? They are quite far away from Britain...

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10024
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Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:14 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Are they in the UK? I understood that the monarch of England is Seigneur of those islands, but that they are not part of the Kingdom. (Nor is the Isle of Man, where the English Monarch is Lord of Man)

Monarchy is complicated!

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Seánw
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Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 12:40 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

They are "dependencies". My opinion, though, is that if the Queen's on your money, she's your Queen. She just decides to butt in a little less than in England. For instance:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/04/Queens-rep-suspends-Canadian-Parliament/U PI-44831228392970/

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Macdara
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 09-2008
Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 02:04 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I always assumed the Cruitin /Cruithne, so beloved of Ulster separatists to be our old pals the Pretani aka Britons.The old P-K language split ,no?

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Aonghus
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Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:05 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Certainly, but the United Kingdom refers to a particular State, of which Man and the Channel Islands do not form part.

Ms. Saxe Coburg alias Windsor is head of a bewildering array of states, but not Queen of all of them!

United Kingdom is a political description

British Isles can be either a political or a geographic one.

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Seánw
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Post Number: 647
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Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

As you said, Aonghus, it's complicated! I like having a clear idea of who's responsible.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10026
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Posted on Monday, July 12, 2010 - 03:50 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Responsible? A Monarch of England? Not since Charles I was made responsible...

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Macdara
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Post Number: 158
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Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - 06:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

James 1 surely? As in the union of the crowns.Then 1707,the abolition of the Scottish Parliament.1803,abolition of the Irish Parliament and first use of the Union Flag - in its current style.


Sorry,all a bit off topic! not sure where these Dalriada heads are coming from though.Ireland has been lived in for at least 8000 years,and Britain far longer.But who cares?

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Aonghus
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Post Number: 10034
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Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 01:45 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Chaill Cathal I an cloigeann.



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