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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 406 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 04:19 pm: |
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"He made a thief (out) of himself". Was just wondering earlier about the 'de' part of this. Why is it not 'dó' féin? Any ideas le bhur dtoil? |
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Taidhgín
Member Username: Taidhgín
Post Number: 828 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 09:47 pm: |
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"de" can mean "of" "do" generally means "for" You could say "Rinne sé císte milis dó féin" He made a sweet cake for himself (alone). and "rinne sé bosca d'adhmad" He made a box [out] of timber." |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 410 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 08:24 am: |
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I'm okay with the difference between de and do. With rinne sé gadaí de féin it's more that I was wondering why there wasn't de + é = dó. You can't write Rinne sé gadaí 'de é' féin, so I guess I'm really trying to figure out why the pronoun é hasn't been compounded with de here. It's left out. It's the first time I've seen that. |
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Taidhgín
Member Username: Taidhgín
Post Number: 830 Registered: 07-2006
| Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 09:44 am: |
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I think the word "féin" is functioning as a pronoun here. Ó Dónaill introduces it with: "emphatic and reflexive adjective and pronoun" Page 533 Anyway "de" is the third person masculine of the prepositional pronoun "díom" de gives díom, díot, de, di, dinn, díbh, díobh. There's your "de" = "de + é" do gives dom, duit, dó, di (pronounced "daoi" in my dialect), dúinn, díbh (pronounced "daoibh" in my dialect), dóibh. With "de" all the "ds" are slender. With "do" (in North Mayo) all the "ds" are broad. Now let's have fun: what of other dialects? I know that in some dialects they don't even have these words. |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 413 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, June 04, 2010 - 10:12 am: |
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My other reply went amú. Was just saying thanks, I actually had thought that de and do shared the same 3rd person masculine : dó. So that's where I was going wrong. I've had that one wrong all this time, so it's a breakthrough :) |
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