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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 346 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 09:47 am: |
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I'm back to this one again! Just wondering, can I use 'bhí mé tigh Mháire' for 'I was at Máire's house' or would you just use 'tigh Mháire' if it was a pub? |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 216 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 10:08 am: |
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Tigh is not just used when referring to a pub; it is the normal, everyday word for "house" in Munster Irish. |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 347 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 10:18 am: |
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So does that mean Munster speakers would say 'bhí mé tigh Pheadair'? (I was in Peadar's house?) (Message edited by sineadw on May 07, 2010) |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 217 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 11:58 am: |
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Do bhíos sa tigh Pheadair. |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 348 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:16 pm: |
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Ah! So you put 'sa' before tigh? If you were saying 'I was in Peadar's house' I would have thought 'i' instead of 'sa'! This is confusing ná 'fuil :D |
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Cionaodh
Member Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 741 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:20 pm: |
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I'd say "i dtigh" instead of "sa tigh". |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 218 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 12:31 pm: |
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er … Why is it "i dtigh" instead of "sa tigh"? |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9863 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 01:04 pm: |
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quote:can I use 'bhí mé tigh Mháire' for 'I was at Máire's house' Yes. Níl gá le aon fhocal eile. Ach dá mbeadh ceann in úsáid agam, "i" a bheadh agam seachas "sa" |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 350 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 01:38 pm: |
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Cúlabuaile! I have something in my head that was saying teach would be used for someone's house, and tigh for the pub! But thanks can see now how tigh is used for both contexts! I think they use 'teach' in Donegal though- but not sure. |
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Cionaodh
Member Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 742 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 01:53 pm: |
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quote:er … Why is it "i dtigh" instead of "sa tigh"? Good question, one for which I have no ready answer . . . I just learnt it that way without asking about it. Admittedly unscientific, but "i dtigh" wins the Googlefight: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22i+dtigh%22&word2=%22sa+ tigh%22 |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 219 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 02:01 pm: |
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Thanks, Cionaodh! |
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Cionaodh
Member Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 743 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 02:16 pm: |
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Now you've got me analysing my Irish, a WFM. There are several ways to make a noun "definite". One way, with which even beginners are familiar, is to add the definite article "an" (which is also hidden in today's word "sa"). Another way is to attribute the noun to someone, in this case, "Peadar". So "i dtigh Pheadair" isn't "in a house of Peter's", but rather "in (the) house of Peter" (i.e. "in Peter's house") |
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Wee_falorie_man
Member Username: Wee_falorie_man
Post Number: 220 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 03:44 pm: |
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hmm … Then how is "i dtigh Pheadair" different from "sa tigh Pheadair"? When do you use "sa tigh" instead of "i dtigh"? (Message edited by wee_falorie_man on May 07, 2010) |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9867 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 04:10 pm: |
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Cé tá sa tigh? Cé tá i dtigh Pheadair? For some reason, you couldn't switch sa and i in the above without it feeling awkward to me. I think definiteness is the key as Cionaodh said - you wouldn't say "An tigh Pheadair" either. |
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Dahtet
Member Username: Dahtet
Post Number: 14 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 04:12 pm: |
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You don't use "sa tigh Pheadair" at all, it's bad grammar. It's a "double definite"." "tigh Pheadair" on its own = "the house of Peadar". So when you put another "the" in by using "sa" it's like saying "the the house of Peadar" with a double definite article. So always "i dtigh Pheadair!" |
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