I wondering about the correct Irish for several occupations. I have taken a stab at it and wondered if I've come close at all. The occupations would be::

farmer - feirmeoir

home-maker - bean déanta bhaile

music minister (like in a church) - ministir cheoil

pupil - dalta

student - scoláiri

horse trainer - traenálai chapall

actor/thesbian - aisteoir

lawyer - dlíodor

I would appreciate knowing also if their are regional differences for Ulster.

Slán
Faberm

scoláire

Music minister I'm not sure of - I'm not familair with the concept.

Home maker would be housewife this side of teh pond - bean tí.

bean tí ... nó fear tí, b'fhéidir?

eadaoin

traenálaí capall

The -aí endings for occupations have a síneadh over the i.

No lenition after a masculine noun in the nominative case.

"bean déanta bhaile"

er... this is just a translation from English. It appears to mean "a woman who builds the townland"

focal.ie has cúramaí baile, but this suffers from the same objection that it is inauthentic and just a translation from English (the carer of the landland).

bean tí (housewife) is the proper Irish word for this concept

Homemaker is an attempt to redefine the concept.

Irish has tended not to go down that road just yet, since the terms used have not become as hackneyed or allegedly disreputable as their English counterparts.

Here is a nice word for it:

tíosaí f. [FGB] householder, housekeeper; host, entertainer

Plucked from
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaeilge/focloiri/daoine/lorg.php?tairg=Lorg&facal=tíosa í&seorsa=Gaidhlig

quote:

music minister (like in a church)

Do you mean a choir director?

treoraí cóir

(Message edited by seánw on January 20, 2010)

Student - mac léinn ,maybe I'm old fashioned though! What is its derivation btw??

Yes Sean, we're pretty much talking about a "Choir director". The term "Minister of Music" is a little more accurate perhaps and used with much more frequency here in the Southern USA. Last night I started a very basic beginners' class with 3 parents with their teenage kids. Next week our lesson will be use of "Is" versus "Tá. I will have each person ask others in the group, "Cén post atá agat?" They will be able to answer"Is xxxxxx mé". Then I'll ask as I point to various people "Cén post atá aige/aici, etc.?" Then they can answer, "Is xxxxxxxxx sí/sé". So I asked each of them last night how they would describe their job in life.

One of the mothers is a "Minister of Music" at the local Catholic Church and asked me to find out how to say that accurately in Irish. So now you have the story behind the question.

I know I am a mere beginner but we have no one else to teach us anything, and I can at least teach what I know (and hopefully at least give the young people an appetite for the language). One of the dad's is the man from Kerry that I mentioned before who is a local horse trainer. He left very jazzed about the meeting and I could see Irish coming back into his head. He told me last night that when he was a very little boy he spoke only to his granny and others in the town in Irish.

Cool stuff,
Faber

farmer - feirmeoir
Donegal : farmóir

home-maker -
Bean toí ??

pupil - dalta

student - scoláirí > mac léinn

horse trainer - traenálaí capall/caiple
>Donegal: traenálaí beathach? (normally "capall" = mare in Ulster)

lawyer - dlíodor --> should be spelt "dlíodóir".

Lughaidh:

Is he accent of "traenálaí" on the first or second accent?
Faberm

I don't understand your question... :-(

quote:

Is he accent of "traenálaí" on the first or second accent?

Siolla aiceanta?

TRAEnálaí nó traeNÁlaí

Sílim go bhfuil TRAEnálaí.

quote:

The term "Minister of Music" is a little more accurate perhaps and used with much more frequency here in the Southern USA.

Of course. Isn't everybody a minister in the south?

Is ea! Bhí sé mo cheist.

Go raibh mile maith agat mo chara,
Faber

quote:

Bhí sé mo cheist.

Sílim, "b'in mo cheist".

Den chuid is mó tá béim nó aiceann ar an chéad siolla diomaite de dhobhriathra éigin.

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"Is xxxxxxxxx sí/sé" will need to be "Is xxxxxxxxx é/í"

quote:

Student - mac léinn ,maybe I'm old fashioned though! What is its derivation btw??

Léann - study

léann [ainmfhocal firinscneach den chéad díochlaonadh]
oideachas, scoláireacht; eolas de thoradh léitheoireachta.

Brendan:: Thanks, and yes of course it will be that way. I messed up writing in haste here. I'll be putting a few of these questions out to you guys to make sure I'm not teaching something very basic in a very wrong way. It would be a disservice to those trying to get a "Tús Maith". It is already helping me to do this. I have found in teaching I really learn something more fully.

Avagidday,
Faberm

Maith an fear faberm! Sorry if this sounds cranky but -Dylan Thomas once said the British and Americans are 'divided by the barrier of a common language'In this we Irish are similar,often confused by American terminology.

A 'minster of music' - what a nice idea.Would that we had one in dáil éireann.Aire ceol,bhéidir?


A confusion arises with the term 'ministir'however,in that this word is used for clergymen/women in Eaglais na Eireann- the church of Ireland.Episcopalian would be the nearest US equivalent.

Lean ar aghaidh,your questions made me think.You never ask about tattoos saying 'you rock my world X' i nGaeilge'!

PS- GRMA a Aonghuis for the mac léinn answer.I thought it had to do with shirts,a homophone I guess.

Macdara:

I'm not much of a fan of tattoos. I feel like if someone wants
to ink Gaeilge into their skin, maybe they should just care
enough to learn it.

Sorry, I know I'm being a "tóin crúa" (direct transl. from bearla)
Faberm