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Ggn
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 03:54 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Sinn Féin have launched their own in-house Irish language magazine - 'An Glór Poblachtach'.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/17950

A preview can be breifly seen on www.sinnfein.ie

Feed back has positve so far (at least from party supporters and those not hostile).

I was particulary interested in the article detailing the difficulties of promoting Irish within the party - somewhat of a microcosm.

It would be interesting to see if any other parties or such groups would be inspired to go down this route.

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Danny2007
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Post Number: 496
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 05:28 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'm torn. I despise Sinn Féin and its leader Gerry 'never in the IRA' Adams (who is currently implicated in yet another sickening scandal) and believe the party does more harm than good when it comes to Irish, amongst other things.

http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2010/jan/03/exclusive-revealed-sf-cover-up-of -liam-adams-senio/
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/how-the-medias-failings-allow-gerry-ad ams-to-rewrite-history-14622439.html

On the other hand, no other mainstream party seems to care about Irish. It's all empty words and symbolism for most. Will anyone follow Sinn Féin's lead? Should they? I mean fair play to anyone trying to promote Irish within the party, and there are some decent souls left in Sinn Féin, despite their leadership. I just hate to see Irish directly associated with Sinn Féin so much. It makes many people leery, and with good reason. That's something Irish can do without.

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I was particulary interested in the article detailing the difficulties of promoting Irish within the party - somewhat of a microcosm.


Did you receive your hardcopy then? I didn't see that in the preview.

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It would be interesting to see if any other parties or such groups would be inspired to go down this route.

I doubt Sinn Féin's actions will inspire any party to follow their lead. Rightly or wrongly, Sinn Féin remains toxic for a lot of people. Sometimes I despair. If Sinn Féin is the best we've got so to speak, then Gold help us. Irish deserves better and pretty much every political party in Ireland has been found wanting. Not just one.

I think the more important question is: how can the use of Irish in the Dáil be increased? Why is so little Dáil business (1%<) carried out through the medium of Irish when the percentage of TDs with passable to fluent Gaeilge is much higher?

I think Foinse and nós* are much more valuable and influential than any political party magazine in Irish ever will be.

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Seamás91
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Post Number: 147
Registered: 10-2009


Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 07:50 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

sinn fein launching an irish language magazine, surprise surprise.

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Seánw
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 11:31 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Why not start another party if one is upset? The UK Indepedence Party is making great strides over there. One of the platforms of a new party would be to put Irish language friendly people into office, and make it a true issue on their platform.

This also depends what you want to read about in Irish, and who the intended audience is. Opening nós* and seeing an article about homosexual unions isn't my cup of tea. I have a lot of that in English, in my home country. (The "copy-and-paste" as Gaeilge from the US and English "cultures" is so boring to me.)

On the other hand, if we're for the Irish language gaining in popularity, are the Sinn Féin supporters included in this bunch, or not? Do they get to participate? Let them have their paper, and don't read it if you don't like it. Freedom of press, right? At some point the Irish people are going to have to embrace the idea that Irish is being taught to all kinds of people from every stripe. Sure, some may be turned of, but I think they'd be turned off by many things. Some people are looking for excuses to justify their actions. Sinn Féin has been around for a while! I commend both nós* and Sinn Féin for establishing Irish papers.

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Obuadhaigh
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2009
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 01:31 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Yes, it's nice to have something in Irish I don't want to read, as opposed to the usual scramble for any Irish journalism at all since the demise of Lá Nua and Foinse. I would call it 'normalisation'.

Got the new Foinse today for the first time and enjoyed it. I only bought one issue of nós, but I don't see me buying another - not my interests. The best bit IMO was the page for 'the English language community' with a thoroughly pointless article about teddy bears. Almost laughed out loud and made of tóin of myself in the café of Derry's new cultúrlann.

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Ggn
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Post Number: 222
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 02:19 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

danny,

Get in contact with the party you support and tell them how you feel.

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Darach
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 02:21 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

So, apart from being our resident Irish language expert, Danny2007 has now revealed himself to be an expert in the Irish political field also. We are very fortunate to have this talented observer to advise us on who we should vote for, and I presume we should also read the Belfast Telegraph too !

Now, back to the Irish classes Danny, repeat after me slowly :- ta me, ta tu, ta se.........Maith a' buachaill, ta tu ag feabhsughadh !

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Seánw
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Post Number: 367
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 02:44 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Darach, siúil le coiscéimeanna éadroma!

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Danny2007
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Post Number: 498
Registered: 12-2007


Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 03:22 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Darach,

You get YOURSELF back to class, you síneadh fada-less clown.

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ta me, ta tu, ta se.........Maith a' buachaill, ta tu ag


Impressive.

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We are very fortunate to have this talented observer to advise us on who we should vote for, and I presume we should also read the Belfast Telegraph too


Snobby Gaeilgeoir. Too bad for you that I did nothing of the sort. The subject of the thread is an Irish publication by Sinn Féin. I don't support Sinn Féin for all sorts of reasons, one being that I believe the party does MORE HARM THAN GOOD for Irish. Ergo, I'm against a party which I believe damages Irish. That's hardly an unreasonable position. I'm not advising anyone to vote for any particular party, as anyone reading that post can see. It's just my opinion.

PS.

Provo Gerry appreciates your support. What a statesman he is! Right?

Seán,

Of course we have freedom of choice. I've never suggested that Sinn Féin should be stopped from publishing whatever it wants. An Phoblacht is good for a laugh on a dreary day anyway.

It's just a bit discouraging to see Sinn Féin have the field almost entirely to themselves when it comes to Irish. Sinn Féin is miles ahead of other parties when it comes to promoting and using Irish. That's the impression I get and I believe it's the impression many people get just from the print and tv media, and just being out and about. Just being out there. Whether supportive, indifferent or hostile to Sinn Féin itself, they are the party most associated with Irish, I believe. Why do the other parties allow this to happen?

(Message edited by Danny2007 on January 06, 2010)

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Seánw
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 04:28 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Why do the other parties allow this to happen?



Rather, why do the Irish people. These parties stand or fall based on voters and the will of the people.

Call it window dressing, but they do not shy away from the message:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/11390

(Message edited by seánw on January 06, 2010)

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Danny2007
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Post Number: 499
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 05:29 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Because most Irish people are indifferent to Irish, I suppose. What other conclusion can there be?

Gerry's little speech is heartwarming (and it differs little from any policy speech on Irish by Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, the Greens etc. It's not original or innovative), but during Sinn Féin's time in the powersharing executive at Stormont:

- Lá Nua closed down
- No Irish Language Act

I believe the growth of Irish medium schools is being driven by individuals in the community, not Sinn Féin itself. Undoubtedly some are members and/or voters of SF, but what has Sinn Féin the *party* actually achieved for Irish!? I get the impression that Adams and SF are trying to claim credit for this growth in Irish.

I know Concubhar Ó Liatháin (former editor of Lá Nua) has a thing or two to say about Sinn Féin's involvement.
http://igaeilge.wordpress.com/

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Asarlaí
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 08:09 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Danny, it seems whenever Sinn Féin is mentioned you're bursting to go off on a tirade about Gerry Adams. If it wasn't Mr Adams it'd be someone else. They're people who are representatives for a section of the community. On either side of the house, it's a lousy job.

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Danny2007
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Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:46 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Are you at all familiar with the multiple scandals swirling around Mr. Adams at the moment? If so, does it trouble you at all? He is arguably the most recognisable Gaeilgeoir alive today. Probably one of the few politicians known beyond Ireland's shores. Think about that.

Gerry Adams is not a normal politician. He is not a good person, despite his media persona.

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They're people who are representatives for a section of the community.


And I think we know which section of the community that is. So why does Adam go on and on saying 'Irish is for everyone.' Does he not understand that his party's continued intimate involvement with Irish language issues just hampers its development? A lot of people in Northern Ireland are turned off Irish because of its associations with Adams and co. Sinn Féin has done nothing to try and de-politicise Irish. This need not be the case.

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Darach
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Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 05:41 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Danny2007, is that the year you were born ? It's obvious that you have a particular agenda, and it doesn't include being able to come to grips with the Irish language ! As for 'scandals', as you call them, read the news, it appears that anyone can have their share of them.

As for language activists, I happen to know quite a few who have learned their Irish in Jail. all from a different political outlook to you apparantly, and not by choice either, so go back to your books and computer.

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Aonghus
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Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 06:15 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Darach, imir an liathróid, ní an fear, maith 'a fear!

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Darach
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Registered: 07-2008
Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 07:51 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Hmm, ta an ceart 'ad, is docha.



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