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Ggn
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Post Number: 180
Registered: 08-2008
Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 11:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Would anyone have to know what the past tence free form of fosgail is in Scottish Gaelic?

Taing.

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Lughaidh
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Post Number: 3304
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 12:18 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

You mean "briathar saor" ?

then it's Dh'fhosgladh.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Ggn
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Post Number: 181
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 12:38 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

What would the third person on the conditional be?

GRMA

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 03:57 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

It'd be both the 3d person of the conditional and the briathar saor... There's no difference in form in Scottish Gaelic.

In case it's not clear, Scottish Gaelic has several other ways to express the passive.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Posted on Friday, December 11, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Well, it;s an interesting question in Irish too. Those forms should be distinguished by lenition or its lack and h-prefixation or its lack, but real usage is more varied.

Autonomous form: do hosgaladh

Imperfect 3rd singular form: d'osgaladh


The pronunciation can help too. the top form in -g (hosgalag) and the bottom form in ch. (dosgalach)

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 03:31 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In Irish there is a distinction between pronouns too : sé as a subject, é as an object, while both are "e" in Scottish, so in Scottish "dh'fhosgladh" e means both "one opened it" and "he opened", while in Irish you'd have "foscladh é" and "d'fhosclóchadh sé" (Ulster)...

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/



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