Author |
Message |
Seamás91
Member Username: Seamás91
Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 04:49 pm: |
|
I was wondering what does the CLG do in relation to the promotion of the irish language? I read somewhere that they promote the irish language, but in what sense? |
|
Seán Ó Maolkhoblenskí (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 06:22 pm: |
|
They force managers of teams young and old to submit lists of players' names in Irish whether their names are of Irish origin, English or Polish! |
|
Seamás91
Member Username: Seamás91
Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 08:34 pm: |
|
any one else with a more positive attitude. by the way, failte go hEireann! |
|
Danny2007
Member Username: Danny2007
Post Number: 422 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 11:05 pm: |
|
The GAA 'promotes' Irish in the same way as the government 'promotes' Irish, it seems. 'Nuff said. I remember a story regarding the GAA and Irish from a couple of years ago. quote:Veteran Irish language broadcaster, Seán Bán Breathnach, has decided not to quit his position as Cultural and Irish Officer of the Galway County Board. At a meeting of the Galway County Board on Monday night, he expressed his disillusionment after increasing hostility to the use of Irish by players, officials and supporters. "This is on playing pitches by managers and mentors and supporters and even to referees. I experienced it myself first hand during the summer," he said. "Every time these people hear Irish being spoken on the pitch they just seem to lose it." Breathnach had been annoyed over what he perceived as a growing intolerance to the Irish language in Galway GAA circles. However, he was encouraged by the support he got from various clubs around the county and has taken a last minute U-turn and will continue to serve in his role for the foreseeable future. http://www.breakingnews.ie/Sport/mheykfcwauid/rss2/ There are quite a few clubs in Conamara that are run through the medium of Irish. When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. - Daltaí.com
|
|
Joe
Member Username: Joe
Post Number: 26 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 07:49 am: |
|
People who are involved in the GAA are involved because they are interested in football and hurling. They are not necessarily interested in the Irish language or any other aspect of Gaelic culture. They probably regard appeals by outsiders to "do more to promote the Irish language" as unwelcome intrusions on their main business. Maybe the GAA should just admit that and stop employing people like Seán Bán Breathnach do promote agendas that their membership (for the the most part) has no interest in promoting. |
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 551 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 11:12 am: |
|
Maybe the GAA should just admit that and stop employing people like Seán Bán Breathnach do promote agendas that their membership (for the the most part) has no interest in promoting. In the part of Ireland that is de-facto culturally British more one Celtic activity at a time seems to be enough - multi-tasking is not in demand! Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Scooby
Member Username: Scooby
Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 11:48 am: |
|
To seamas91 - the comment by 'Seán' was actually mine and the surname was obviously not meant seriously. [I couldn't remember my password at first, being quite new to this site.] I don't really feel the comment was negative, though, just factual. I don't approve of creating articicial (indeed thoroughly ridiculous at times) 'Irish' versions of foreign names, and the GAA's insistence at Junior Level that voluntary managers, some of whom haven't a word of Irish, make out team lists in Irish even when some names cannot be translated, is ridiculous. Of course, I have no problem with the principle of promoting Irish, as long as it is done in a reasonable and meaningful way. The truth is that the GAA does little enough to promote Irish (as far as I know). That is not a criticism; they have the promotion of Gaelic games to be getting on with. Of course they have some match programmes in Irish, they have the team names and officials' names in Irish on their gear (e.g.Maor foirne, Bainisteoir), individual clubs organise Irish language classes on an ad hoc basis, and I have a vague memory of scholarships for Gaeltacht courses being offered when I was younger - quite some time ago! By the way, can anyone tell me how to do italics, quotes etc.? (Message edited by scooby on November 07, 2009) (Message edited by scooby on November 07, 2009) (Message edited by scooby on November 07, 2009) |
|
Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9116 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 11:51 am: |
|
|
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 553 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 12:04 pm: |
|
Buíochas le Dia go bhfuil ann dó - agus a leithéid freisin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA9lcrrGqnY Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9118 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 12:09 pm: |
|
quote:By the way, can anyone tell me how to do italics, quotes etc.? http://www.daltai.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/daltai/discus/discus.pl?pg=help |
|
Joe
Member Username: Joe
Post Number: 28 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 03:55 pm: |
|
Joe stated: "Maybe the GAA should just admit that and stop employing people like Seán Bán Breathnach do promote agendas that their membership (for the the most part) has no interest in promoting." Ormondo stated "In the part of Ireland that is de-facto culturally British more one Celtic activity at a time seems to be enough - multi-tasking is not in demand!" Really Ormondo, people who are into hurling and football are into them because they like hurling and football. They are not interested in them because hurling and football are somehow "Celtic activities". I'm sure they are able to multitask as well as anyone else. |
|
Trigger
Member Username: Trigger
Post Number: 448 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 04:04 pm: |
|
The managers have ''bainisteoir'' on the shirts and there is Gaeltacht GAA championships every year. Gaeilge go deo!
|
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 554 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 06:33 pm: |
|
Really Ormondo, people who are into hurling and football are into them because they like hurling and football. They are not interested in them because hurling and football are somehow "Celtic activities". I'm sure they are able to multitask as well as anyone else. Just a statement of fact really. If people intensely pursue one activity there seems to be little room for more. The GAA's first priority obviously has to be the sport itself and it is good that so many resources are invested in developing such good sportspeople, even if the process of selecting the best players to play for the school, club and county teams discriminates against the weaker players. But then again this professional approach is the sacrifice that has to be made to bring a well-developed game forward into future to the generations to come and to ensure that everyone benefits from that. For example, hurling is a hard game to get into as far as mastering the skills so that, even though everyone should be encouraged to play and be made welcome etc. it is still necessary to give the skilled players the best resources - and, of course, it is necessary to protect them from being browbeaten into a false sense of politeness e.g. if one person present wanted to switch to soccer because the person "had no hurling", well, that would be the death-knell of the game, wouldn't it? It's a pity the same effort, professional approach and resources aren't put into the perpetuation of the Irish language. (Message edited by ormondo on November 07, 2009) Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Seamás91
Member Username: Seamás91
Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 06:48 pm: |
|
as i have seen in earlier posts, some CLG clubs have brought in the initiative of irish classes - however hat is some CLG clubs. alot more CLG clubs will have to carry out the same initiative, especially in the west and in the cities. |
|
Joe
Member Username: Joe
Post Number: 29 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 06:53 pm: |
|
Ormondo says: "It's a pity the same effort, professional approach and resources aren't put into the perpetuation of the Irish language." Yes I couldn't agree with you more. However, I don't think this is a job for the GAA. The Irish language movement should try and learn from the GAA and maybe underpin its own projects with the kind of professionalism demonstrated by that organisation. |
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 555 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 07:30 pm: |
|
The Irish language movement should try and learn from the GAA and maybe underpin its own projects with the kind of professionalism demonstrated by that organisation. Indeed, however it think it is the government that are really the ones who should take the hint; CnaG et al are probably doing the best they can with the resources at their disposal. Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Danny2007
Member Username: Danny2007
Post Number: 424 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 02:24 am: |
|
Do we know that Seán Bán Breathnach has an 'agenda' though? Maybe he was simply referring to players who would speak Irish to one another during the match...and who were harassed as a result? quote:he expressed his disillusionment after increasing hostility to the use of Irish by players, officials and supporters. "This is on playing pitches by managers and mentors and supporters and even to referees. I experienced it myself first hand during the summer If his claims are true, that indvidual GAA supporters, managers, players and referees were hostile to the use of Irish, then that's very disturbing indeed. It's the Gaelic Athletic Association ffs. You'd think it would be a safe haven for Irish, even though the primary purpose of the GAA is the promotion of gaelic games. When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. - Daltaí.com
|
|
Joe
Member Username: Joe
Post Number: 31 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 08:24 am: |
|
I think I'm the first person who linked the word "agenda" to "Seán Bán Breathnach" on this tread. I didn't mean that in some sense Seán had some kind of secret agenda that he was trying to promote. What I meant was that trying to promote the speaking of Irish among the ordinary souls of the GAA is something akin to drinking soup with a fork. The fact that the word "Gaelic" occurs in the title of the organisation is, I believe, irrelevant. I understand that GAA clubs etc are very open to their facilities etc being available to Irish language activities etc. Just don't expect them to speak it. |
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 556 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 11:07 am: |
|
Just don't expect them to speak it. That's it. A conducive, supporting environment is a good thing but only goes so far. And it alone will not do the job. You need people actually speaking and becoming versatile in the language just as much as you need people to actually swing the hurley and doing the grunt work. I hope that: 1) the 20 year plan will set up and tilt the channels in the right direction and that 2) sufficient amount of people will respond and play an active part. At the end of the day, it will be up to the people to decide whether they want to make the effort to hold on to the most valuable aspect of their culture, or not. (Message edited by ormondo on November 08, 2009) Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Seamás91
Member Username: Seamás91
Post Number: 72 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 11:11 am: |
|
the 20 year plan - are referring to Phlean 2028? |
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 558 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 11:47 am: |
|
Sin é. Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Seamás91
Member Username: Seamás91
Post Number: 75 Registered: 10-2009
| Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 12:07 pm: |
|
conas ata siad leis? |
|
(Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 06:06 pm: |
|
They have people all over the country donning their countys name in Irish on their jersey. The tradition of saying a speech in Irish at the final is strong as ever. The GAA is one of the most significant cultural organisations on this island, and the fact they always make an effort to include the language at big events is a credit to them. Keeps an awareness of her (Gaeilge) in the psyche of many people, at least. |
|
An_chilleasrach
Member Username: An_chilleasrach
Post Number: 150 Registered: 01-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 07:44 am: |
|
People are forever complaining about the lack of emphasis on Irish in GAA circles. The GAA is its members. If you want to see more Irish used, get involved. It's pretty simple really. Tá an roinnt mhór cluichí ar TG4. B'fhéidir go meallfaidh sé sin daoine chuig an teanga. |
|
Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9149 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 08:24 am: |
|
quote:People are forever complaining about the lack of emphasis on Irish in XXX circles. The XXX is its members. If you want to see more Irish used, get involved. It's pretty simple really Áimeáin! Beatha teanga a labhairt. Buanú teanga a scríobh. Nó, mar a deir Séamas Mac Sheáin go minic, ná habair é, deán é! |
|
Smac_muirí
Member Username: Smac_muirí
Post Number: 410 Registered: 06-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 09:05 am: |
|
Is spéisiúil a mbíonn ag cur díobh anseo, i mBéarla ar ndóigh, faoi easpa chur chun cinn na Gaeilge ar CLG. Is maith ar bhealach gur i mBéarla a scríobhtar seafóid den chineál so. An corcán ag tabhairt ‘tóin dubh’ ar an túlán arís, nach mór. Nach mór, mar is iontach a bhfuil déanta ag CLG in imeacht na mblianta. Níl aon ghaelscoil ar m'eolas nach raibh baill de CLG sáite go lárnach ina bunú, ina forbairt is ina reáchtáil, gan trácht ar shuíomh a bhronnadh, le cead oifigiúil an chumainn, le haghaidh theach na gaelscoile féin in amanna. An té a sheasfas taobh amuigh d'aon chluiche contae ag bailiú ar son gaelscoile, feicfidh sé na mílte €uro in aon uair an chloig amháin bronnta ar an ngaelscoil sin ag baill agus ag lucht tacaíochta CLG. Bronntar an t-airgead sin go fial flaithiúil le croí mór agus is daoine iad lucht a bhronnta a d'íoc as breosla le taisteal chuig an gcluiche, agus beidh orthu ticéid a cheannach le freastal ar an gcluiche chomh maith. Níl in aon cháineadh ar a ndéanann CLG ar son na Gaeilge in Éirinn (gach lá ó bhliain go bliain le cúpla glúin anuas) ach aineolas an té nár ghlac lámh ná freagracht riamh i gcur chun cinn na Gaeilge. Scríobhtar seafóid go leor i mBéarla, cúrsaí na Gaeilge de go háirithe. Ní taise do scríbhneoir Bhéarla an chláir seo é, is cosúil. |
|
Scooby
Member Username: Scooby
Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 11:51 am: |
|
Pointí maithe agat ansin a chara, ach ní ceart a rá gur seafóid atá á scríobh ag daoine eile. Bíodh béasa agat. Mar dhuine a d'fhreastail ar Ghaelscoil agus mar dhuine a bhfuil ballraíocht bheatha aige sa chlub CLG áitiúil (Craobh Chiaráin), áit ar reachtáil mé ranganna Gaeilge saor in aisce cúpla bliain ó shin, tuigim féile daoine agus a meon dearfach (go hiondúil) i leith na Gaeilge sna chlubanna CLG. Ach níl baint aige sin le polasaithe an CLG. Glacaim leis gur thug roinnt clubanna suíomhanna chun gaelscoileanna nua a bhunú, agus iad ag súil le Dia go dtabharfaí aitheantas dóibh uair éigin sa todhchaí - ach sin scéal eile. Cuireadh an cheist as Béarla. An aon ionadh gur tugadh freagraí as Béarla, ar an bhFóram Béarla agus Gaeilge seo? |
|
Smac_muirí
Member Username: Smac_muirí
Post Number: 412 Registered: 06-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 01:59 pm: |
|
Go dtuga Dia an modh foshuiteach, blianta fada ag múineadh béasaí do mhuintir eile an chláir chomhrá so (agus léamh an Bhéarla dá réir) is go dtuga sé ainm cleite Gaeilge duit. I ndáiríre, ba mhó an t-ionadh a chuirfeadh freagra i nGaeilg orm. Fágfaidh mé fút féin an múineadh a chur ar dhaoine a Scuaib. Tá fáilte romhat isteach. |
|
Scooby
Member Username: Scooby
Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 04:28 pm: |
|
Tá mé sásta go leor leis an ainm cleite atá agam go raibh maith agat, ach gabhaim pardún má chuireann sé as duit. Bheinn buíoch díot dá míneofá an tagairt don mhodh foshuiteach. Má tá mo chuid Gaeilge lochtach, bíodh. Is beag duine anseo a bhfuil Gaeilge fhoirfe aige, ach bheinn faoi chomaoin agat mé a chur sa 'treo ceart'. |
|
Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 9152 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 04:38 pm: |
|
Tagairt a bhí ann don mbealach ar úsáid tú an modh ordaitheach (Bíodh Béasa agat!). Ní bheadh nath san modh fhoshuiteach chomh borb céanna. (Message edited by aonghus on November 11, 2009) |
|
Ormondo
Member Username: Ormondo
Post Number: 562 Registered: 04-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 05:25 pm: |
|
Ba olc an mhaise an plámás do lucht na Gaelainne agus iad ag plé cheist na Gaelainne eadarthu fhéin! Ná bíodh... gabhaigí (go ngabha sibh, ba mhaith liom a rá) mo leithscéal... ná raibh imní orainn go dtarlódh a leithéid! (Message edited by ormondo on November 11, 2009) Is geal leis an bhfiach dubh a ghearrcach féin.
|
|
Smac_muirí
Member Username: Smac_muirí
Post Number: 413 Registered: 06-2008
| Posted on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 - 07:37 pm: |
|
Thiontaíomar an téad so go Gaeilg ar aon chuma a chairde. Sin an tslí le dul chun cinn. Tá misneach éigin fanta sa seanchreatlach go fóill. |
|
An_chilleasrach
Member Username: An_chilleasrach
Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2009
| Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 04:53 am: |
|
A Sheosaimh, An tusa an té a raibh ar BBC2 cupla tráthnóna ó shin? D'inis tú scéal faoin mbean a chónaigh i do theach in am an ghorta agus an cath idir na naoimh*. Bhí sé an-spéisiúil. *Coinnigh do lámha amach ar son na Gaeilge, a chara! |
|
Seosamh Mac Muirí (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 09:08 am: |
|
Bhíodar thart anseo le ceamara ceart go leor. Bhí mé ag cuimhneamh ar mhuintir an drochshaoil arís ar maidin mar tá an talamh ina draoib le báisteach inniu. Ní raibh an luachair féin anseo in ann síobadh deiridh an tsamhraidh a sheasamh. Bhí sé leata ar an talamh. Sa tollán plaisteach amháin a bhíonn préataí agam féin. Caithfidh sé go raibh an-saothrú le déanamh ag daoine le barr a bhaint as an talamh anseo. Ó fhear sa chomharsain a mhothaigh mé scéal na baintrí sin. De shliocht an tí seo é. Bheadh sé cúig ghlúin ina diaidh. |
|
Sliotar (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 02:08 pm: |
|
And will all Irish speakers be required to take up hurling? |
|
An_chilleasrach
Member Username: An_chilleasrach
Post Number: 155 Registered: 01-2009
| Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 07:08 am: |
|
Beidh ort dul i muinín na seancleasanna, a Sheosaimh, má tá aon rud uait mar cuideachta don im! |
|
Seosamh Mac Muirí (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 05:33 am: |
|
Beidh ar ndóigh. Nár dheas san? |
|
Dahtet
Member Username: Dahtet
Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2008
| Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 01:01 pm: |
|
quote:And will all Irish speakers be required to take up hurling? You do know that promoting the Irish language is among the official aims of the GAA? I don't believe promoting hurling is among the official aims of Conradh na Gaeilge or other similar organisatios. |
|
Conchubhar1
Member Username: Conchubhar1
Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2009
| Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 07:37 pm: |
|
1884 1893 Can anyone put those dates into context for me and have a general even vague view of irish history - that would help with dealing with what the gaa (a sporting organization) does or does not for the language. jesus buailte christ. |
|
Ggn
Member Username: Ggn
Post Number: 149 Registered: 08-2008
| Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 06:25 am: |
|
I recently had a clash with the GAA in my own area about Irish. Then I caught myself on and offered my self in a positive manner, I found people responsie, quelle surprise. I am working with people to ensure the team sheets are accuratre and that the townland names are accurate and to ensure as many people as possible in the parish know about the history of Irish in it. Don't be a Gaelgeoir (complainer) be a Gael (a doer, na habair é dean é), get down to the club, give classes, give talks, educate! |
|
Macfheargail
Member Username: Macfheargail
Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2009
| Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:27 am: |
|
Irish is visable via the GAA, that is enough. They have games to be organising, its not on them to organise the language, but the fact that they make Irish visible, even if its just a token, helps normalise the language to the masses. I also think its good that they use the Irish version of peoples names, lets face it, the minority have people have foreign names, they shouldnt be translated, but I think its good that they actively use people Irish names. (Message edited by macfheargail on November 23, 2009) |
|