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Cionaodh
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Username: Cionaodh
Post Number: 695
Registered: 05-2005
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http://www.gaeilge.org
FRC - Fáilte Roimh Cheartúcháin
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Peter
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Username: Peter
Post Number: 649
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 01:23 pm: |
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It's not very convincing. People do computational dialectometry specifically for these purposes and there're some good methods (e.g. combining edit distance and feature bundles representing phonemes). Also, somehow Connemara's æ is referred to as a phoneme which is an outdated view.
(Message edited by peter on October 31, 2009)
'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3247
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:49 pm: |
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Why is it an outdated view?
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Peter
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Username: Peter
Post Number: 650
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 05:14 pm: |
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In his later works, de Bhaldraithe treats it as a positional variant of the phoneme /a/.
'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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Lughaidh
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Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3248
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 06:46 pm: |
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Ó Siadhail doesn't (I think)...
Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Peter
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Username: Peter
Post Number: 651
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 08:40 pm: |
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I have specifically checked the Modern Irish book, section 3.7.1, and it's obvious from there that [æ:] should be regarded as an allophone of /a/. I believe it's clear that [a:] and [æ:] (i) appear in complementary distribution and (ii) are related articulatorily/acoustically and therefore should be treated as combinatory variants of the phoneme /a/, in Trubetzkoy's terms.
'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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