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The Daltaí Boards » Archive: 2005- » 2009 (September-October) » Archive through November 01, 2009 » Irish Grammar Book by Mac Congáil v. Progress In Irish? « Previous Next »

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Danny2007
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Post Number: 404
Registered: 12-2007


Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 01:21 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Which would be more appropriate for a beginner? Especially one who is grammar-challenged?

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 06:47 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I dunno if you can compare them, the first one is a grammar book, the second one is a learning book with plenty of exercises...

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Macdara
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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 06:53 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I have Progress in Irish and it is very handy in general.From a grammar point of view there is one problem:grammar is scattered through the book.For the irregular verbs one must visit pages 21,25,27 - first person only.I wish it had an answer key too,but maybe that's me being lazy.Good little book all round but I havent seen MacCongail's,so someone else will have to help out here.

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Cionaodh
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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 09:14 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Progress in Irish answer key sheets:

http://www.gaeilge.org/PII-ak.html

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Danny2007
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Post Number: 408
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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 03:51 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Oh okay. I thought Progress In Irish was strictly grammar too. I already have Teach Yourself Irish Grammar by Ó Dónaill, but I found it a bit too advanced for me when I bought it last year.

Would Progress in Irish or Irish Grammar Book be more appropriate for a beginner compared to TY-IG?

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Cionaodh
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Posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 10:49 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Irish Grammar Book is a reference book.

Progress in Irish and Teach Yourself Irish Grammar are two coursebooks that teach Irish with an emphasis on grammar & how the language is structured. The difference between the latter two is that Teach Yourself Irish Grammar is more explicitly about grammar, while Progress in Irish teaches by examples but doesn't delve into grammar terminology too deeply.

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Seánw
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 07-2009


Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 12:15 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

I already have Teach Yourself Irish Grammar by Ó Dónaill ...



I have this too. A lot is in there, but I do not like the set-up. For instance, this morning I was running over the adjectives section. It gives a rule, then exemplfies it below with bullet points. The bullet points aren't indented at all, so it is more difficult to just sift out the rules without looking at all the example sentences. Not to add that there are a few mistakes that I've found. I believe the book's organization complicates the learning of the grammar, or using it as a reference on grammatical rules. Oh, well! Danny, you seem to favor Conamara. I would start with the LI, and then see from there if you need a reference grammar. I have found that Teach Yourself Irish Grammar will answer most questions about the standard forms, albeit after getting used to the clutter pages.

You may also want to inquire into the "Basic Irish" and "Intermediate Irish" grammar workbooks by Nancy Stenson.

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