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Heidski
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Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:20 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

I'm wading my way through "Now Yer Talking," the pronounciation leaning on how the language is spoken in Ulster.

In a lesson on languages, I am sure I heard the speaker prounounce the plural of "teanga" as "teangakee". I'm wondering if I'm hearing correctly and whether there are are other examples of this.

As usual, many thanks

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Trigger
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Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:45 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

In Donegal Irish they say ''teangaidh'' for language, so I am sure that is what you heard. :-)

Gaeilge go deo!

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 08:07 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

The plural is teangthachaí or teangthacha in Ulster, pronounced as if it were teancacha(í).
If you heard teangachaí, it's not really the Ulster form (by the way Now You're Talking teaches a blend of Ulster and Standard Irish, so it's not surprising).


(Trigger, you read too quickly ;-) Heidski was talking about the plural).

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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James_murphy
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Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:33 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Incidently the plural is "teangthacha" in Munster too. Pronounced (roughly) /t'auŋəxə/.

Séamus Ó Murċaḋa

Inis fá réim i gcéin san Iarṫar tá
Dá ngoirid luċt léiġinn Tír Éireann fialṁar cáil

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Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 11:58 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Munster plural pronounced /tʹauŋhəxə/ with an h in the middle - according to the Irish of West Muskerry.

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 12:31 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Ok... once again then, the Standard plural doesn't exist :

teangthacha(í) in Ulster
teangachaí in Connachta
teangthacha in Munster

cool..........

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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Seánw
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:01 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

quote:

the Standard plural doesn't exist



teangthacha ("Munster") = teangacha ("standard plural"), ceart?

Sampla:

The Catholic Children's Religious Primer
Cork, 1858; leathanach 49


Tuirlint an Spriod Naomh air an Deisgioboil

Glaodhmid chun ar smuainte anso Deithniur so mar do chur air dTiarna Iosa Chriost iar na mbeith dho na chuidhe air thaobh deas a Athar siorruidhe, an Spriod Naomh air a Theampol do reir a gheallumhna; an Spioraid dhiadh so aig tuirlint anuas a gcosmhulacht teangacha teine. …

I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.

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Peter
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:50 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

Níl aon ghá leis an í a chur leis an iarmhír iolra i nGaeilge Chonamara sa lá atá inniu ann, agus ní bhíodh sé ann go stairiúil cinnte. Ina theannta sin, tá an ceart ar fad ag Abigail a scríobh anseo ar ball go bhfuil dul amú orthu sin a shíleanns gurb iad canúintí beo na Gaeilge dúshraith an Chaighdeáin.

'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'

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Lughaidh
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 06:08 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Níl aon ghá leis an í a chur leis an iarmhír iolra i nGaeilge Chonamara sa lá atá inniu ann, agus ní bhíodh sé ann go stairiúil cinnte.



Is cuma fána bhfuil stairiúil... Nó scríobhfaí i Sean-Ghaeilg.
Deirtear "teangachaí" i gConamara, ní "teangacha", agus is foirmeacha difriúla iad ó thaobh na moirfeolaíocht dó : iolradh dúbáilte atá in "teangacha" : sin "teang-acha-í".
Mar a deirtear "póstaíochaí" i nGaoth Dobhair, sin pós-ta-í-acha-í, sin iolradh le 4 dheireadh !
Ní hionann -anna agus -annaí agus ní hionann -acha agus -achaí ó thaobh na moirfeolaíochta dó. So ba chóir glacadh leis an dá rud, mar a ghlactar le "rinne muid" agus le "rinneamar" sa chaighdeán féin.


Seánw > is dócha go mbraitheann an t-iolradh sin ar an áit agus ar an am fosta. Is dócha go bhfuil (rabh) áiteachaí i Mumhain ina n-abraití "teangacha" gan -th-.

Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/

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James_murphy
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Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 08:02 pm:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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Munster plural pronounced /tʹauŋhəxə/ with an h in the middle - according to the Irish of West Muskerry.


I could have sworn I read somewhere that the "th" wasn't pronounced. Perhaps it applied only to certain areas.

Pronounced or not it's required to indicate the diphthongisation of "ea"

Séamus Ó Murċaḋa

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Dá ngoirid luċt léiġinn Tír Éireann fialṁar cáil

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Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 04:30 am:   Small TextLarge TextEdit Post Print Post

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teangthacha ("Munster") = teangacha ("standard plural"), ceart?



Ní hea, spelling "teangacha" does not give [au] pronunciation of "ea" in this word.



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