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Heidski
Member Username: Heidski
Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 09:20 pm: |
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I'm wading my way through "Now Yer Talking," the pronounciation leaning on how the language is spoken in Ulster. In a lesson on languages, I am sure I heard the speaker prounounce the plural of "teanga" as "teangakee". I'm wondering if I'm hearing correctly and whether there are are other examples of this. As usual, many thanks |
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Trigger
Member Username: Trigger
Post Number: 426 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:45 am: |
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In Donegal Irish they say ''teangaidh'' for language, so I am sure that is what you heard. :-) Gaeilge go deo!
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3223 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 08:07 am: |
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The plural is teangthachaí or teangthacha in Ulster, pronounced as if it were teancacha(í). If you heard teangachaí, it's not really the Ulster form (by the way Now You're Talking teaches a blend of Ulster and Standard Irish, so it's not surprising). (Trigger, you read too quickly ;-) Heidski was talking about the plural). Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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James_murphy
Member Username: James_murphy
Post Number: 354 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:33 pm: |
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Incidently the plural is "teangthacha" in Munster too. Pronounced (roughly) /t'auŋəxə/. Séamus Ó Murċaḋa Inis fá réim i gcéin san Iarṫar tá Dá ngoirid luċt léiġinn Tír Éireann fialṁar cáil
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(Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 11:58 pm: |
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Munster plural pronounced /tʹauŋhəxə/ with an h in the middle - according to the Irish of West Muskerry. |
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3224 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 12:31 pm: |
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Ok... once again then, the Standard plural doesn't exist : teangthacha(í) in Ulster teangachaí in Connachta teangthacha in Munster cool.......... Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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Seánw
Member Username: Seánw
Post Number: 179 Registered: 07-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:01 pm: |
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quote:the Standard plural doesn't exist teangthacha ("Munster") = teangacha ("standard plural"), ceart? Sampla: The Catholic Children's Religious Primer Cork, 1858; leathanach 49 Tuirlint an Spriod Naomh air an Deisgioboil Glaodhmid chun ar smuainte anso Deithniur so mar do chur air dTiarna Iosa Chriost iar na mbeith dho na chuidhe air thaobh deas a Athar siorruidhe, an Spriod Naomh air a Theampol do reir a gheallumhna; an Spioraid dhiadh so aig tuirlint anuas a gcosmhulacht teangacha teine. … I ndiaidh a chéile a thógtar na caisleáin.
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Peter
Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 648 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 04:50 pm: |
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Níl aon ghá leis an í a chur leis an iarmhír iolra i nGaeilge Chonamara sa lá atá inniu ann, agus ní bhíodh sé ann go stairiúil cinnte. Ina theannta sin, tá an ceart ar fad ag Abigail a scríobh anseo ar ball go bhfuil dul amú orthu sin a shíleanns gurb iad canúintí beo na Gaeilge dúshraith an Chaighdeáin. 'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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Lughaidh
Member Username: Lughaidh
Post Number: 3225 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 06:08 pm: |
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quote:Níl aon ghá leis an í a chur leis an iarmhír iolra i nGaeilge Chonamara sa lá atá inniu ann, agus ní bhíodh sé ann go stairiúil cinnte. Is cuma fána bhfuil stairiúil... Nó scríobhfaí i Sean-Ghaeilg. Deirtear "teangachaí" i gConamara, ní "teangacha", agus is foirmeacha difriúla iad ó thaobh na moirfeolaíocht dó : iolradh dúbáilte atá in "teangacha" : sin "teang-acha-í". Mar a deirtear "póstaíochaí" i nGaoth Dobhair, sin pós-ta-í-acha-í, sin iolradh le 4 dheireadh ! Ní hionann -anna agus -annaí agus ní hionann -acha agus -achaí ó thaobh na moirfeolaíochta dó. So ba chóir glacadh leis an dá rud, mar a ghlactar le "rinne muid" agus le "rinneamar" sa chaighdeán féin. Seánw > is dócha go mbraitheann an t-iolradh sin ar an áit agus ar an am fosta. Is dócha go bhfuil (rabh) áiteachaí i Mumhain ina n-abraití "teangacha" gan -th-. Learn Irish pronunciation here: http://loig.cheveau.ifrance.com/irish/irishsounds/irishsounds.html & http://fsii.gaeilge.org/
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James_murphy
Member Username: James_murphy
Post Number: 355 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 08:02 pm: |
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quote:Munster plural pronounced /tʹauŋhəxə/ with an h in the middle - according to the Irish of West Muskerry. I could have sworn I read somewhere that the "th" wasn't pronounced. Perhaps it applied only to certain areas. Pronounced or not it's required to indicate the diphthongisation of "ea" Séamus Ó Murċaḋa Inis fá réim i gcéin san Iarṫar tá Dá ngoirid luċt léiġinn Tír Éireann fialṁar cáil
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Róman_anonymous (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 04:30 am: |
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quote:teangthacha ("Munster") = teangacha ("standard plural"), ceart? Ní hea, spelling "teangacha" does not give [au] pronunciation of "ea" in this word. |
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