Toisc go n-éiríonn an snáth bunúsach go ró-fada, agus níl an plé faoi fuaimniú a thuilleadh, tosaím snáth nua.

Snáth bunúsach anseo: http://www.daltai.com/discus/messages/20/44797.html?1253898577

Doiciméad tagartha anseo: http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/3712/3712247_irish__from_spelling_ to_pronunciation_gaelic.pdf

Agus anois - gabh mo leithscéal. Tá sé sé ar chloig ar maidin agus tá codladh uaim. Críochnaím as Béarla.

"briogáid" - it seems illogical to me that this would be pronounced /b'r'uga:d/ with /u/ for the "io" even if the rule of non-coronals was watertight. My own logic would put /i/ because it was borrowed from a word with an /i/ in that place. But who am I to tell. Perhaps this is an example of a case where different dialects favor a different pronunciation.

As I mentioned in that thread, this shift is quite regular in West Muskerry. Etymology is only relevant to pronunciation in quite recent loanwords.

Tried to wade through the text but missed that, sorry. The thread became a wee bit hard to navigate due to the length. Not to mention that it fell off the track. Anyway the info removes a lot of guesswork. Again.

Ah, and a nasty typo in the topic field. Welderman's sight.

Yeah, I apologize about that. I never intended for it to go that way. The "original" topic of the thread was a very valid topic, and I pretty much killed it. Sorry :(

No problem.

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"briogáid" - it seems illogical to me that this would be pronounced /b'r'uga:d/ with /u/ for the "io" even if the rule of non-coronals was watertight. My own logic would put /i/ because it was borrowed from a word with an /i/ in that place. But who am I to tell. Perhaps this is an example of a case where different dialects favor a different pronunciation.

I can't speak for what Mr. Green has in mind, but I know that I rarely say brigade in everyday speech with the short i, closer to the u in but. So it isn't as far fetched as it may seem.

Well yes, I sometimes hear English speakers favor the /a/ in the diphtong pronunciation, the /i/ tends to vanish, sometimes it all fades to the schwa. Mean the same thing, even approximately?

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"briogáid" - it seems illogical to me that this would be pronounced /b'r'uga:d/ with /u/ for the "io" even if the rule of non-coronals was watertight.

No, it is completely logical from Irish pronunciation view. Do think pronouncing "siopa" as /s'up@/ is also "illogical"?

No. I only said it seems, and in this case. Irish isn't the only language where old loans have gone through a lot of changes. And that guide also says in the first paragraph that these are not hard and fast rules. I take it that they are guidelines, conforming to which I should be understood. Wouldn't a guide, that proposes unintelligible pronunciations, be rather useless?

To the merit of the question: in Munster stress on the words like "briogáid" is shifted to the second syllable anyway, so the first syllable is pronounced with kind of unintelligible vowel, so there is no i/u problem here

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To the merit of the question: in Munster stress on the words like "briogáid" is shifted to the second syllable anyway, so the first syllable is pronounced with kind of unintelligible vowel, so there is no i/u problem here.

As is the stress in English and French.