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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 10:32 am: |
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Chaith sé go bhfuil sé 6 bliana ó... Chuala mé seo ráite ar an raidió inniu ag fear uaidh Chonamara. An bhfuil an litriú ceart agam- 'Chaith'? I hadn't heard 'it must be (6 years since etc.)' said this way before so I'm not sure! |
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Peter
Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 620 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 12:45 pm: |
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Caithfidh sé go bhfuil sé sé bliana ó... Seo é an litriú ceart atá air. Caithfidh sé nach ndeireann do dhuine an "h" lárnach, rud a chloistear an-mhinic sa bhfocal seo, fiú amháin ag daoine nach gcailleann a gcuid h-anna go hiondúil. (Message edited by peter on September 22, 2009) 'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 07:03 pm: |
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Go raibh míle Peter! Tá ciall leis an litriú sin alright. Just tá ceist beag eile agam faoin méid a d'úirt tú faoin 'h' lárnach- céard go díreach atá i gceist agat ansin? Ní thuigim go hiomlán é. |
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Aonghus
Member Username: Aonghus
Post Number: 8851 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 06:18 am: |
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Caithfidh Fág an h ar lár, agus cloisfidh tú fuaim cosúil le "caith" |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 07:32 pm: |
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Grma aríst lads. I have just one more thing I need to check up on this to see if I have it right.. Can I take it that 'caithfidh' is used to lead in all of the tenses? caithfidh sé go raibh siad imithe faoin am sin caithfidh sé go bhfuil sé 6 bliana ó.. And would this apply to conditional and other tenses are well? I think I understand the difference re. pronunciation a bit better and why I picked it up wrong. I was going back to pronunciation I learned in school as in caith as 'kai' whereas in Conamara they will say 'ka' and then caithfidh will sound like 'kai'. |
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Seosamh Ó Beirgin (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted From:
| Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 06:23 am: |
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I'm not sure that 'Caithfidh sé" is right. Surely the more natural way to handle this particular nut is to drop the "sé". For example, "Caithfidh go bhfuil Páidí imithe faoin am seo"= "Páidí must be gone by now.". Any opinions anybody? |
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Peter
Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 622 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 03:36 pm: |
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Is féidir an leagan gan an forainm a úsáid chomh maith. Níl aon locht ar an dá cheann. Seo dhuit sampla as an bhFoclóir Gaeilge-Béarla: "caithfidh (sé) go raibh deifir orthu". Is coitianta, ceart go leor, gan an forainm a bheith ann i nGaeilge na Mumhan, ach is é a mhalairt a chloistear i gConamara. Maidir leis na haimsearacha atá gá n-úsáid le "caith", is iad an aimsir fháistineach agus an modh coinníollach a bhíonns air (caith súil ar FGB, leathanach 179). 'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 06:29 pm: |
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Tá 'caithfidh sé' cloiste agam cupla uair ó chuir mé an cheist anseo. Yep- since asking about it here I've heard 'caithfidh sé' spoken by the best of Conamara speakers on RnaG- so what Peter has said is ringing true for sure- Conamara Irish includes the sé- and it is Conamara Irish I've been hearing it from (not listening to much of the other dialects for the mo). Go raibh maith agaibh as an litriu ceart agus an fhoghlaíocht :) |
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Sineadw
Member Username: Sineadw
Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2009
| Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 10:48 am: |
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Just on this again, wanted to check if you were saying 'caithfidh mé' as I 'I have to finish it' etc. would you then be more likely to hear the 2 syllables being pronounced, as opposed to 'caith(fidh) sé' with just the one syllable in the context of 'it must be...'. Am asking as I have been hearing the two syllables pronounced by Conamara speakers in the context of 'I have to go there, finish it' etc. so I thought maybe this was a way of distinguishing them? I could be way off here :) |
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Peter
Member Username: Peter
Post Number: 630 Registered: 01-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 12:08 pm: |
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Braitheann sé ar cén áit go baileach atá tú sa nGaeltacht. Séard tá idir chamáin againn anois - tréith rí-shuntasach i gcaint Chois Fhairrge, do chuid h-nna a fhágáil ar lár. Bíonn sé seo le clos sna ceantracha eile sa taobh sin tíre, ceart go leor, go háirid i bhfocla ar leith (ar nós "cúthail" /ku:l/ sa chuile áit i gConamara). Ach sin ráite, thiúrfeá faoi deara a mhinicí is a tharlaíonn sé i gConamara ó dheas. Mar sin, is féidir iad araon a úsáid, "ca mé deireadh a chur leis an obair" agus "catha mé ...", ach é a dhéanamh systematically, mar déarfá, sa chuile chás eile mar seo. 'Na trí rud is deacra a thoghadh – bean, speal agus rásúr'
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